Select Page
Poker Forum
Over 1,291,000 Posts!
Poker ForumTournament Poker

Couple rivers, thin value or no?

Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1

    Default Couple rivers, thin value or no?

    First - Why or why not I should valuebet

    Second - What types of hands could I be bluffing with?

    1) Early $10cubed. Readless

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 11 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t3000)
    Hero (UTG+1) (t6030)
    MP1 (t2870)
    MP2 (t2970)
    MP3 (t2413)
    CO (t3110)
    Button (t4654)
    SB (t3210)
    BB (t1743)

    Hero's M: 201.00

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J, J
    1 fold, Hero bets t80, 2 folds, MP3 calls t80, 1 fold, Button calls t80, 2 folds

    Flop: (t270) 8, 9, 5 (3 players)
    Hero bets t170, MP3 calls t170, 1 fold

    Turn: (t610) 10 (2 players)
    Hero bets t400, MP3 calls t400

    River: (t1410) A (2 players)
    Hero ...

    2) $26 on FTP. Readless!

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 25/50 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    BB (t6495)
    UTG (t2430)
    Hero (UTG+1) (t4110)
    MP1 (t6250)
    MP2 (t3330)
    CO (t2635)
    Button (t3135)
    SB (t2865)

    Hero's M: 54.80

    Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 6, 6
    1 fold, Hero bets t150, MP1 calls t150, 4 folds, BB calls t100

    Flop: (t475) 9, 6, 5 (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t285, MP1 calls t285, BB calls t285

    Turn: (t1330) J (3 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t840, 1 fold, BB calls t840

    River: (t3010) A (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero ... (has 2835 chips)
  2. #2
    Dave and I discussed these ones too:

    1) This hand is trickier than I thought it would be because of his stack size (1763 behind I think). There are so many hands in villain's range, it's crazy. The annoying thing is that he shows up with Aces kind of often, I think.

    It seems like most of the hands we beat that make it to the river would just check behind if we check, and so if we check and he bets, we are probably dead.

    So... check/fold?

    2) Well we can't check behind so it's either bet small or jam. I would bet 1200 and sigh/call if he pushes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
    Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

    blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/


    Watch me stream $200 hyper HU and $100 Spins on Twitch!
  3. #3
    1) I c/f unless it's a small bet, I guess 1/3 ps or so. if you're OTR with 22-77 or no pair you should for sure bluff, I'm not sure if that is the question.

    2) I bet at least 350 and probably 425 on flop, I don't think it changes calling ranges much. As played I just stuff it right in, I doubt he calls light so either he has two pair or he doesn't. And maybe he has like A8ss and is feeling frisky. For same reasons I would bet any hand worse than 9x that you've gotten here with but you can just bet 1300 in that case.
  4. #4
    I was asking about what hands I could bluff with just so I could think more about my entire range because I don't think about that enough

    On Hand 1 I have a very tight opening range pre, give up on the flop often and shut down on that nasty turn a lot. Maybe if I opened in LP and the turn was a blank I should bet the A river? As played, whats the worst pocket pair I should valuebet?

    In Hand 2 its easier to think of bluffs I could have on the turn, but a lot of them got there on the river. Anyway, how often do you think villain would lead a flush on the river? Should they?
    Last edited by fjuanl; 01-04-2011 at 01:49 PM.
  5. #5
    1) yeah I would pretty much always give up on this turn.

    2) As opp I would lead small otr with a flush since I'd expect you to check back Ax or worse and maybe even 96-.
  6. #6
    Sykedupp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,087
    Location
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    probably shoving hand 2 for value

    hand 1 I'm c/fing because of stack sizes like bee said. If he was deeper, I could see a blocking bet/fold of like 550
    Quote Originally Posted by soupie
    That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
  7. #7
    Sykedupp's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Posts
    1,087
    Location
    Vancouver, BC, Canada
    to answer the 2nd part of your question

    1. imo there arent any hands that should be bluffing here. MAYBE like 44-77, though you shoulda given those up on turn.

    2. most of the hands you bluff with got there, so you also dont have many/any bluffs in your range here. But its a $26 so people dont know that and will still call you off with a pair here.
    Quote Originally Posted by soupie
    That is the beauty of poker, it doesnt matter how they play, you can always devise the perfect defense and counterpunch hard.
  8. #8
    1 is a c/f, it's cool to c/c or c/shove strong hands here with the right read.

    2 is close but I like a smaller bet, seems like he can't have much.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •