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    Default Correct to risk tournament life?

    $10 NLHE MTT on PokerStars, 862 entrants, right now I'm in the middle of the pack with 35 players left. Is this the right play? I understand they got lucky, but without knowing their cards, was it right to push with QQ here?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t3000 (9 handed) converter

    MP2 (t13006)
    MP3 (t2178)
    CO (t11642)
    Button (t47054)
    SB (t22537)
    Hero (t27903)
    UTG (t41968)
    UTG+1 (t26003)
    MP1 (t42143)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q, Q.
    2 folds, MP1 raises to t9000, 2 folds, CO raises to t11492, 2 folds, Hero raises to t27753, MP1 calls t18753.

    Flop: (t67898) 4, K, 9 (3 players)

    Turn: (t67898) 4 (3 players)

    River: (t67898) 5 (3 players)

    Final Pot: t67898

    Tipito: shows [As Ks] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
    Tipito collected 32522 from side pot
    Tonne2nice: shows [Kh Ac] (two pair, Kings and Fours)
    Tipito collected 18663 from main pot
    Tonne2nice collected 18663 from main pot


    Final Gauntlet Standings: 5th, Money Won: $128.97, Points: 195.30
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    I'd push a good made hand all day this late.
    Obviously the note here is could i put my chips in when i know i have the best hand? but a 60K chip triple up looks too good a reason not to push here.
    and your itm i presume so it was sooooooo bad
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    Default Re: Correct to risk tournament life?

    Quote Originally Posted by mgobluefb
    Is this the right play? I understand they got lucky, but without knowing their cards, was it right to push with QQ here?
    yes.
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    Yes, they got very lucky since they hold some of eachother's outs. Play to win!
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    You got your money in while you were ahead, with great pot odds, i don't think you can do much better than that this late in a tourney.
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    you have 9bb, easy push
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe
    you have 9bb, easy push
    Agreed 100%
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    I'm probably the only one here that would not push with QQ I Always like to see a flop, the only hands capable of calling you are ones that have you beat or something that gives you a 50/50.
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    I would have had no hesitation in doing what you did here. If you ask me you were very unlucky to lose the pot. Two players with AK are pretty much cancelling out each others cards. Unfortunatley that is poker.
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    I like to see a flop w/QQ. I'd probably just call the PFR and push any non K or A flop. I actually layed this hand down pf in a live tourney b/c I was reraised all-in and felt it was - at minimum - a coin flip. KK is a different matter, I'd push that all day.
    I'll be a rootin' tootin' shootin' damn fool, protectin' my chips.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalentedTom
    I'm probably the only one here that would not push with QQ I Always like to see a flop, the only hands capable of calling you are ones that have you beat or something that gives you a 50/50.
    i dotn agree with this, first of all late in an MTT AQ may be making this move since people just want op catch some blinds, and mg was ahead in this hand since both players had AK so they had 2 out of their 6 outs leaving them with 4 outs pre flop which isnt very good so takingthe risk with 9XBB late in an MTT with QQ is the right play IMO


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    I would normally just call with QQ and see if an A or K is coming on the flop, however in this position you are right to push, otherwise you risk the bigger stack going allin and either you are putting it allin anyway or you fold to lose half your chips. It's a good push, under the circumstances.
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    This late in the tourney, especially if you're ITM, this is a great push. Even though you didn't know the cards your ops had, QQ is a good hand to make a move. As better than a 60% favorite to win the hand pre-flop, I think you made the right decision. It was a tough beat.
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    It's a tough decision, I if anything would have just called. QQ is a deceptive hand, it doesn't always need to improve to win, but the flop can hurt you badly. One K or A and you have little chance at the hand. If the flop came and no overcards came, then I would of raised all in at that point and chances are if they both had AK and didn't get anything on the flop they would've just folded. But most players will call anything with AK. Since this is a tournament, I don't think I would trust my QQ to hold up. You could be up against KK or AA for all you know. If you had KK here then you would be right to go all in without a doubt.

    Remember that tournaments are about staying alive until you're in the money. If you finish in the money or if the prize for finishing 35th is the same as finishing 20th then you have a legit reason to call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aislephive

    Remember that tournaments are about staying alive until you're in the money. If you finish in the money or if the prize for finishing 35th is the same as finishing 20th then you have a legit reason to call.
    Silly me - I thought they were about winning (or at least making the final table). It is thinking like this that makes stealing so much easier on the bubble.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    Silly me - I thought they were about winning (or at least making the final table).
    Hmm, I thought that to win or to make the final table, you have to stay alive. The two are not mutually exclusive.
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    I don't think this hand is that cut and dried. It looks good because they both were eating each other's lunch (and hit a collective 4-outer), but that's really just a coincidence - you can't put EITHER of them on AK.

    MP1 is the "big stack" and raised 3BB... could easily be a blind steal.
    CO has to have SOMETHING, because he is basically calling an all-in. He's only got 3 BB to be sure, but if he has junk, he should wait for a chance to open, I think. I actually put him on a pair, praying for a coinflip.

    So that leaves it up to you facing a big stack with a ? and a short stack with a 'hand".

    I suppose you cannot fear the shortstack alone here. If it was just him - easy push to isolate.

    If the short stack folded, should you push or call? Depends on how tight he has been playing. If you think he's stealing, you should reraise, otherwise not (because if you reraise he will only call with AA/KK/AK.)

    It's a little dicey with only 10BB... you will be looking at a flop with only 7 left.

    But back to the situation at hand... I think this is a push if you read that MP1 will fold. I don't think you want to play QQ three way for all your chips (unless you really DID know they both had AK).

    You should call if you can fold to a pre-flop reraise and or overcard on the flop. Otherwise, you should fold.
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    I think this is a push if you read that MP1 will fold.
    You don't want to play QQ against AA or KK against one opp or two... otherwise with the blinds this high you have to be happy playing against any other two hands, so the only real question is whether you give one credit for AA/KK.

    I'd push.
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    some say tournaments are about surviving until everyone else busts.

    others say they are about accumulating every chip in play.


    hmmmmmmmmm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arjonius
    Quote Originally Posted by chardrian
    Silly me - I thought they were about winning (or at least making the final table).
    Hmm, I thought that to win or to make the final table, you have to stay alive. The two are not mutually exclusive.
    Never said they were - but if you want to win, you gotta push here. If you wanna make the money... Just post and fold from this point on.
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    Ok obviously this is very read dependent, and these hand ranges can be widened or narrowed. But generally speaking these would be the hand ranges for most opps with their stacks.

    Big stack: Ak-aj, 88-AA, possibly include AT, KQ, KJ depending on how aggro opp is.
    Small stack: any pocket pair, AK-AT, possibly Ax and some Kx hands.
    QQ is clearly ahead of those hands, and the thing is, it isn't really a threeway pot, you only need to beat the big stack to stay alive and i definately think you are way ahead on his raising range.
    The reason i don't agree with zenbitz is that he isn't gambling for all his chips threeway, he is gambling for some of his chips threeway and over half of his chips heads up. He is ahead here in the longrun (as he was in the hand) and just got unlucky.

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