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    Default Bet size - getting the best of it

    Bet size - getting the best of it

    I`m working hard lately to improve my game. Have reading and playing a lot. And I see there`s one point I`m not getting the best of it. And I`m talking about maximizing the profit of my winning hands.

    We can talk here all day long how one should play agressive to build a stack in a SnG/MTT.

    I`m practicing and doing pretty well lately in pickying pots with craps, playing position instead of just cards, pre-flop or in the flop.

    I`m stealing, it`s working, but I have to be way agressive in the flop when I`m called pre-flop, so I can end up the action right there.

    Example:
    bbb = 20
    3 limpers
    I raise to 100
    1 caller

    flop comes raggy

    If I`m in position over him (I am in this case) and he checks the flop, I bet something between 300-400.
    If he bets something like 100-200, I re-raise him to something like 500-800. He folds and I get the pot.

    It`s being working pretty fine.

    BUT....when I get a real hand....standard raise pre-flop...and when the flop comes, I make a 1/3 pot size bet, or even a half pot size bet, I get no action!

    well...I guess you got the point here...it`s hard for me to explain, as English is not my best. But it`s something really to study and work.

    I see guys, building big pots constantly in the first hour of a MTT/SNG. When I`m doing fine, I`m just above the average, or something like 2 to 3 times the initial stack (unless we got lucky and hit real monsters)

    Well...hard to explain and put in all kind of situations that`s I`m thinking right now. But the main reason of this thread is: MAXIMIZING YOUR PROFITS

    Let`s talk about it?

    Regards,

    SC
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    A common mistake, which you don't appear to be making, is to make a crazy raise when you hit that solid hand. Sure, you'll take down the pot right there, but even better is a caller (I'd say "or two", but you don't want too many outs against you). Making your raises consistent when you do and don't have a hand will really mess with the opponent, meaning people will respect your raises significantly more. And if you know you have a lock on a hand at the river, don't push out a pot-sized bet at that point, unless your opponent has a GREAT hand, maybe a better one, it's doubtful they'll call. Just put out the same consistent raise (I like 3xBB, in the long run you'll save a lot on bluffs if you stay away from 4xBB and it allows you to still take in nice size pot) that you've been using all along and you'll pull in that many more chips.
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    Making your raises consistent when you do and don't have a hand
    is the only logical way to play.

    Do you see why?
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    yea ive started using action dan's trick of raising suited connecters UTG when i have a tight image. totally confused the table when i hit a monster and the fact that i'm raising more means increases the chance of getting action when I have a big hand.
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    I decided to be not so agressive, as I wasn't making much money.
    That's what I got. It sucks

    What would you guys do differently?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

    saw flop|saw showdown

    SB (t2410)
    BB (t1300)
    UTG (t1470)
    UTG+1 (t1180)
    MP1 (t1440)
    Hero (t1120)
    MP3 (t1390)
    CO (t940)
    Button (t2250)

    Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8, 8.
    UTG raises to t60, 1 fold, MP1 raises to t90, Hero calls t90, MP3 calls t90, 1 fold, Button calls t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60, UTG calls t30.

    Flop: (t555) 4, 8, J (6 players)
    BB bets t30, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t60, Hero calls t60, MP3 raises to t90, Button folds, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, MP3 calls t60, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t60.

    Turn: (t1155) Q (4 players)
    BB checks, MP1 bets t90, Hero raises to t180, MP3 calls t180, BB calls t180, MP1 calls t90.

    River: (t1875) A (4 players)
    BB checks, MP1 bets t150, Hero raises to t400, MP3 calls t400, BB raises to t880, MP1 calls t730, Hero calls t300 (All-In), MP3 calls t480.

    Final Pot: t5215

    Results in white below:
    BB has Th Kh (straight, ace high).
    MP1 has Ah Qh (two pair, aces and queens).
    Hero has 8c 8h (three of a kind, eights).
    MP3 has Jd Qs (two pair, queens and jacks).
    Outcome: BB wins t5215.
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    I don't let 3 people peel of cards against my set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swinggcat
    Flop: (t555) 4, 8, J (6 players)
    BB bets t30, UTG folds, MP1 raises to t60, Hero calls t60, MP3 raises to t90, Button folds, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t30, Hero raises to t150, MP3 calls t60, BB calls t60, MP1 calls t60.
    The odds you're giving everyone here are ridiculous. You have to bet strongly here. I think anyone with JJ here would raise pretty significantly to ruin the flush draw's pot odds, great chance you're best here, but you still have to protect your hand. MP3, BB, and MP1 have like over 15/1 to call that, enough to correctly call with any sort of draw.
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Making your raises consistent when you do and don't have a hand
    is the only logical way to play.

    Do you see why?
    -_-

    Yeah, that sentence actually doesn't make any sense (mine). It may be due to the fact that I wrote that at midnight, or that it's 2:30 right now. Either way, I should re-read that post later on. Thank god I'm not playing poker right now.
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    that chick in the red bikini is filthy...Where do I get me some pics of here naked.
    Listen, here's the thing. If you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table, then you ARE the sucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doubledown
    that chick in the red bikini is filthy...Where do I get me some pics of here naked.
    If you only knew...

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    I thought that was a limit hold'em tourny at first, the first 5 raises are minimum raises.. yuck, lol.

    But yeah, when you decide to pop them with your set on the flop or turn, make sure you pop them hard so you don't give any kind of odds to let people draw out. I'd make about a pot sized reraise, so when one or even two people call (as they likely will) the later callers won't get great odds.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    when you hit set one way to play is to push and hope for a call

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