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Originally Posted by drmcboy
all of that seems to assume you're always in against a steal. What if it's a real hand? I think we can all agree it's bad to steal with 2bb raises if your value raises are 3bb.
You are right that 3 betting is cheaper, but don't forget that min raises are cheaper to start.
assuming you raise 3 BBs instead of 2, if this is true:
The smaller the villian's raise, the more a TAGG player in the blinds benefits.
why not raise 4x?
4x, especially if it's not your standard pfr amount, is too big during the middle and late stages of the tournament when you should be stealing more, don't you think? Earlier in the tournie when your M is high and more people are willing to get the pot, you'll need a 4-5xbb bet to narrow the number of callers to 1 or 2, hopefully. Later, when we should be stealing more often, this is usually less of an issue because you'll have all sorts of stacks, many of whom see it too expensive. That's the reason for adjusting your pfr amount as the tourny goes on. I'm not saying 2xbb raises are HORRIBLE, but I'd be careful using them. I admit that they can be valuable against many players though.
And to think of it another way, you asked why wouldnt we want bad hands to call us and play us OOP. (The obvious answer being that we are trying to STEAL for a reason and take the pot PF.) Then you seemed to be making that argument that 2xbb and 2.5xbb pfr will have similar affects. Well, if they have the similar affects, wouldn't you like to get more in the pot pf with 2.5xbb raises?
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