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  1. #1

    Default 99 late in 180-player $4+.40

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4.00+$0.40 Tournament, 300/600 Blinds 50 Ante (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG (t21125)
    MP1 (t10025)
    MP2 (t6317)
    CO (t10698)
    Button (t15118)
    SB (t32963)
    Hero (BB) (t25233)

    Hero's M: 20.19

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9, 9
    5 folds, SB raises to t3000

    Total pot: t1550


    Villain in SB was raising around 2 times per orbit and was bullying around the table somewhat (but not overzealously) with his large stack. Usually he was raising 2 or 3 times the big blind. This was his largest raise yet and our first heads-up encounter. Call here? Raise here? How much?

    Thanks!
  2. #2
    I would just call and play the flop. Spike a 9 and stack his AA or snap off his c-bet and hope he has AK on a low flop. I wouldn't reraise here because he could easily shove over with AK and take away your positional advantage. It's not time to stack off on 99 here.
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  3. #3
    I'd love to be you baudib, when you flop sets your opponents always have AA and when the board comes low your opponents always have AK

    must be nice

    I just shove
  4. #4
    Nah when I spike a set with 99 it's A9x and he has AA.

    Hero's second in chips going against the only guy who can stack him. Given that we don't know what his larger-than-normal steal raise means, I'd play it cautiously.
  5. #5
    I agree with Spendah. This is almost never ever ever ever a call preflop. I definitely shove here. Due to the blind vs blind situation, you may get overcalled by plenty of stuff here as well. A lot of people will raise more than their standard when out of position to avoid taking a flop for various reasons, so that's definitely a possibility here.

    Also, lol I have 200 posts finally.
    derp
  6. #6
    I would just call for the reason that you said he was a fairly aggressive player and since he is the big stack i find it hard to give him credit for a hand like aces since u said it was his biggest raise. I would think he is protecting a hand like maybe 10s or JJs or he could have a lower pocket pair just trying to take the pot down. Raising is silly cause if he shoves are u gonna risk all your stack? Call and see what the flop brings and note the information for later.
  7. #7
    I agree it's either a hand like TT/JJ or overcards...possibly an underpair. It's not a range you want to take 99 to the felt here. If it was any of the smaller stacks I'd shove.
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  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib
    I agree it's either a hand like TT/JJ or overcards...possibly an underpair. It's not a range you want to take 99 to the felt here. If it was any of the smaller stacks I'd shove.
    Playing 99 like you want to is probably the worst play of them all here.

    Shove > Raise with intentions of calling > Folding > Calling > Raise folding (which I assume no one does).

    You can probably discount KK/AA from his range, and maybe QQ. This is probably a wider range than you guys are assuming here. Calling is absolutely disastrous here. Take the guesswork out of the hand, and shove where you beat likely the tightest of his ranges. If you don't think people ever show up with A8 here, 77, etc. you're out of your gourd. Shoving=the most profitable play.
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  9. #9
    Explain why playing in position with the likely better hand is a worse alternative than folding, which is ridiculous. Shoving may produce profit more often but when you factor in he's going to get knocked out maybe 25 percent of the time, leaving considerable table equity, i don't quite get it.
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  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib
    Explain why playing in position with the likely better hand is a worse alternative than folding, which is ridiculous.
    because calling leaves us in a bit of a guessing game here. what kind of flops are we looking for? If you're not going to make the play that yields the most profit (which is what the goal of poker is), then you might as well just fold here.

    Shoving may produce profit more often but when you factor in he's going to get knocked out maybe 25 percent of the time, leaving considerable table equity, i don't quite get it.
    gotta go with that.
    derp
  11. #11
    aggressive calls ITT
  12. #12
    Hero has more than 40 BB which, which is more than enough to play postflop poker. Villain is going to cbet 100 % of the time with Ace-high even though he misses the flop 2/3 of the time. Those are extremely profitable situations we lose out on by shoving.

    If villain has AK and we shove and he calls 100 percent of the time, we're locked in a death grip in which one is paying the other off. If we play the flop and he hits, we get away from the hand cheaply. If we play postflop and he misses, he's still paying us off.
  13. #13
    Wait, once again you live in a great world

    When he misses we always call but when he hits we always fold

    SICK LIFE
  14. #14
    BTW I totally flat AA/KK here PF

    also, MCAT is going to come in here and say 3bet to like 8500, I guarantee it
  15. #15
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    Wait, once again you live in a great world

    When he misses we always call but when he hits we always fold

    SICK LIFE
    Not at all. He could have AJ and the flop is JJ4 and we think we're good and we get stacked. He could have AT and the flop is T76 and we lose a huge chunk of our stack.

    Sometimes he has AK and the flop is QT4 and we fold.

    And there are times when we both hit and we double up.

    If villain has an overpair, we're stacking off on low flops about 100% of the time.

    But there is profit to be made here to playing the flop with position.
  16. #16
    Thanks for the responses and points of view to all those who posted them. As for the Hero(ine), she shoved, but we were both unsure if that was the best way to go about it.
  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    also, MCAT is going to come in here and say 3bet to like 8500, I guarantee it
    mcat is MIA, soooo Id totally 3bet and feel that its extremely standard.
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  18. #18
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    BTW I totally flat AA/KK here PF

    also, MCAT is going to come in here and say 3bet to like 8500, I guarantee it
    I don't think it's necessary to get cute here with either 99 or AA, specifically because this guy raised 5x from the SB, which means he sucks at poker and thinks he has the nuts. He'll probably call a shove with a huge range including hands like 44 so I'd just shove with anything ahead of his range.

    If he had just raised 3x (and you didn't have a dynamic where he'd be likely to 4-bet bluff) then flatting AA/KK is the play and it's not close.

    Not that it matters because shoving is way the best play here, but dthorne, folding is not better than calling, come on now.
  19. #19
    Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73
    BTW I totally flat AA/KK here PF

    also, MCAT is going to come in here and say 3bet to like 8500, I guarantee it
    Not that it matters because shoving is way the best play here, but dthorne, folding is not better than calling, come on now.
    meh, i know this, and i think you know that i know this, i just detest calling here in the worst way. arghh
    derp
  20. #20
    Do we want him to call with a wide range of hands?

    If so, we should shove AA as well.
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    easiest shove ever IMO

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    it's just bizarro. what is opp 5xing with?

    if u can include any pair it's an easy shove.
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  23. #23

    Default Re: 99 late in 180-player $4+.40

    Easy shove. He folds 95%+ of the time, you are now tied for the chip lead. He calls and you lose.. you get 7th. He calls and you win, you are like 75% to win.

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  24. #24
    this isn't the final table as there are 270k chips in play in a 180man
  25. #25

    Default Re: 99 late in 180-player $4+.40

    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Easy shove. He folds 95%+ of the time
    how did you come up with that number, out of curiousity
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