99 co 10.17M

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UTG (t1380)
UTG+1 (t1270)
MP1 (t2118)
MP2 (t1597)
Hero (CO) (t1525)
Button (t1905)
SB (t2010)
BB (t1695)

Hero's M: 10.17

Preflop: Hero is CO with ,
4 folds, Hero bets t250, 2 folds, BB raises to t700, hero?

hand 24. villain never 3 bet before, but had raised, mostly from ep, about 4 times. all pots uncontested. one time i saw his hand was when he was in bb and overplayed a gutshot ie called flop and turn with incorrect odds..

should i have just shoved pre?

Ugly spot, I would fold

I probably would have just shoved preflop but I can see the merits of standard raising. However, if you want to standard raise you need to have a plan as to what you are going to do should you be faced with this sort of situation.

As played, I agree with TLR, if your read is that opp hadn't 3-bet before then I'd let it go. If he/she had been 3-betting aggressively then I would shove over.

imo i miss some information. How is your image in his eyes? Have you been raising from that spot or not. If you have you can consider pushing. If you haven't you should clearly fold. Next time push preflop.

sure my image was tight. hadnt been raising much.

actually my plan was to raise then call a shove, but was a bit spooked by the 700 raise..

From the outside looking in it appears to me that "the plan" was to steal - that plan didn't work so fold. For if the plan were to raise/shove, villains re-raise to 700 confirms that we are going to get all of his chips in the middle.

I like the p/f raise, I would only shove here based on favorable previous action. Even then I am not going to like it. I think its a bit early to be shoving 99 pre.

SNG - you want people to fold

middle pairs - you want people to fold

15 BB - you want people to fold


If X is the % of times you think you've raised 99 and then bet the flop and then got worse to call or better to fold, I would guess the actual number is X-Y where Y is at least 25% if not more.

If you're worried about balance, add some garbage hands you can raise fold in along with big pairs/AK. None of these hands should be small/medium pairs. all of the value in these hands short is going to come from getting it in pre.

As played get it in, folding 99 here is worse than not shoving to being with. No reason to think he isn't shoving lots of worse pairs along with flip hands, you have 24 hands and only a few with push/fold stack sizes. You could also call and call if you want to get fancy.


Regarding sizing, plenty of people do this with the lower part of their range trying to make you over think it and do something absurd like fold 99 when you'd snap a shove.


It's less important than all that but you've also set up a really tough stack size on flop.

As played, I agree with TLR, if your read is that opp hadn't 3-bet before then I'd let it go. If he/she had been 3-betting aggressively then I would shove over.

there are lots of things 24 hands can tell you, 3 bet % with 15BB eff is not one of them. I am sure your 3 bet range is very different at 15/30 compared to 50/100.

^^ i agree great post

Originally Posted by drmcboy

SNG - you want people to fold

If you're worried about balance, add some garbage hands you can raise fold in along with big pairs/AK. None of these hands should be small/medium pairs. all of the value in these hands short is going to come from getting it in pre.

This bit is really important if you are going to go down the route of min-raising/standard raising off a 12-16 BB stack and play regularly against the same players. If you only play occasionally forget about balance. It isn't important as you the number of times you will MR will be small and opponents will not have enough hands to and exploit you.

Since I play against the same opponents often my range is polarised to AK+, KK+, sometimes QQ and usually hands that can flop a lot of equity if I get flatted like 98s, JTs etc. Experience taught me you don't want to get doing this with hands like 99, AQ, AJ. They are all hands that have nice show down value, but if you get shoved on PF, you probably have to fold. You are better off sticking to shoving them PF.

yeah I should not have said garbage. although I would think shoving JTs specifically is probably better. But it should be 2 gapped or less and suited or maybe like K7s types. It should be the most playable hands that you don't think you can shove profitably, which of course will change a bit with your image and opps.