6,50 45-man final table. comments?

I'm used to playing regulars, but now lately as an experiment got into turbos. I ended up 6th in this (pays 7). any comments on these few hands, plus the hands I folded pre?


---Tournament Summary---
$5.5 MTT: Finished 6/45 for $18
Data for 87 hands.
You played 20 hands (22.99%)
You raised 15 times preflop (17.24%)

-----Hand 17-----
Hero's M = 5.73
PokerStars Game #32944402721: Tournament #196152803, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2009/09/17 15:13:26 EET [2009/09/17 8:13:26 ET]
Table '196152803 3' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: moon&back (9260)
Seat 2: Antony10xx (4520)
Seat 3: shakyblau (7935)
Seat 4: EroRICH (2815)
Seat 5: heroicz (7865)
Seat 6: fatadineve (15073)
Seat 7: sajo71 (6985)
Seat 8: Hero (6877)
Seat 9: TekBlade (6170)
Antony10xx: posts small blind 400
shakyblau: posts big blind 800
Preflop
Dealt to Hero 9 9
EroRICH: raises 1600 to 2400
heroicz: folds
fatadineve: folds
sajo71: folds
Hero: raises 4427 to 6827 and is all-in
TekBlade: folds
moon&back: folds
Antony10xx: folds
shakyblau: folds
EroRICH: calls 365 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (4062) returned to Hero
Flop: 8 A J
Turn: 4
River: T
Showdown
EroRICH: shows K Q (a straight, Ten to Ace)
Hero: shows 9 9 (a pair of Nines)
EroRICH collected 7180

Q T MP2 (Hero's M = 3.38; f+f+f+F+f+f+r+f+f)
4 4 UTG+2 (Hero's M = 3.34; f+r+F+f+f+f+r+f+f+f)
A 5 UTG+1 (Hero's M = 3.30; f+F+f+f+f+r+f+f+f)

-----Hand 18-----
Hero's M = 3.26
PokerStars Game #32944457056: Tournament #196152803, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (400/800) - 2009/09/17 15:15:47 EET [2009/09/17 8:15:47 ET]
Table '196152803 3' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: moon&back (9060)
Seat 2: Antony10xx (5570)
Seat 3: shakyblau (11435)
Seat 4: EroRICH (5830)
Seat 5: heroicz (6465)
Seat 6: fatadineve (14073)
Seat 7: sajo71 (5185)
Seat 8: Hero (3912)
Seat 9: TekBlade (5970)
fatadineve: posts small blind 400
sajo71: posts big blind 800
Preflop
Dealt to Hero 9 9
Hero: raises 3062 to 3862 and is all-in
TekBlade: folds
moon&back: folds
Antony10xx: folds
shakyblau: folds
EroRICH: folds
heroicz: folds
fatadineve: folds
sajo71: folds
Uncalled bet (3062) returned to Hero
Hero collected 2450

-----Hand 19-----
Hero's M = 3.06
PokerStars Game #32944470245: Tournament #196152803, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XI (600/1200) - 2009/09/17 15:16:21 EET [2009/09/17 8:16:21 ET]
Table '196152803 3' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: moon&back (9010)
Seat 2: Antony10xx (5520)
Seat 3: shakyblau (11385)
Seat 4: EroRICH (5780)
Seat 5: heroicz (6415)
Seat 6: fatadineve (13623)
Seat 7: sajo71 (4335)
Seat 8: Hero (5512)
Seat 9: TekBlade (5920)
sajo71: posts small blind 600
Hero: posts big blind 1200
Preflop
Dealt to Hero Q 7
TekBlade: folds
moon&back: folds
Antony10xx: folds
shakyblau: calls 1200
EroRICH: folds
heroicz: folds
fatadineve: folds
sajo71: folds
Hero: checks
Flop: Q 5 3
Hero: bets 4237 and is all-in
shakyblau: folds
Uncalled bet (4237) returned to Hero
Hero collected 3675

5 T SB (Hero's M = 4.40; f+f+f+f+f+r+f+F+c)
5 8 Button (Hero's M = 4.02; f+f+f+f+r+F+f+c)
6 2 CO (Hero's M = 3.98; f+f+f+F+r+f+c)
9 J MP (Hero's M = 3.94; f+f+F+f+f+r+c)
7 K UTG (Hero's M = 3.90; F+f+f+f+f[/color])
T 7 BB (Hero's M = 3.85; r+f+f+f+f+F)
6 8 SB (Hero's M = 3.15; f+f+r+f+F+f)

-----Hand 20-----
Hero's M = 2.08
PokerStars Game #32944585706: Tournament #196152803, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (800/1600) - 2009/09/17 15:21:18 EET [2009/09/17 8:21:18 ET]
Table '196152803 3' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: moon&back (18095)
Seat 2: Antony10xx (9030)
Seat 4: EroRICH (7405)
Seat 5: heroicz (7465)
Seat 6: fatadineve (20518)
Seat 8: Hero (4987)
moon&back: posts small blind 800
Antony10xx: posts big blind 1600
Preflop
Dealt to Hero 6 Q
EroRICH: folds
heroicz: folds
fatadineve: folds
Hero: raises 3312 to 4912 and is all-in
moon&back: folds
Antony10xx: calls 3312
Flop: 9 3 T
Turn: K
River: A
Showdown
Antony10xx: shows T 6 (a pair of Tens)
Hero: shows 6 Q (high card Ace)
Antony10xx collected 11074

only thing that stuck out to me was check the Q7 hand where you make TP, leading out takes away a bluff or even value bet from a lower PP/A5s. If he has a FD he's never folding whatever you do so try and get value from the rest of his range.

exactly what dr said. Everything else seemed standard.

Yeah, I remember thinking about that after I had made the lead. Thanks.

agree about the Q7 hand

also, the first 2 hands you folded look like shoves to me. the A5o hand is also close, but maybe its ok since its a final table

A5o for sure not, I don't have it as +chip EV

the 44 & QT are + chip EV to shove if they call optimally. Def when I played a lot of of the ($50) 45 man turbos I stopped shoving these as I found people called pretty wide - that is to say you don't get credit for an EP shove like you might in a normal tourney. Paradoxically sometimes you can get folds from the CO/BU/SB with 2.5BBs since even if someone is getting great odds they may only have 7 BBs themselves and they want to maintain their own FE. So I generally played VERY tight in EP when I was not a big big stack.

Wait - just saw a raise in front of you will the 44, clear fold, I'm sure juan missed it also.

Yeah I did miss that, good fold then. I can't really see folding QTo for 5BBs in mid-position though. Even at low stakes I expect a lot of folds because its near the bubble

At these stacks, 9 people left is practically the bubble - 2 will be out very soon. And people don't necessary call wide, but seem to always call shoves with whatever A-rag they have - pushing something from EP is usually a good recipe in these for getting called with Ax.

If your getting called with Ax a ton: Do some math on equity calculations with pokerstove vs the Ax range. Then compare those to the pot odds your getting. Just a reminder, you dont have to be ahead in the hand to make $ long term.

Originally Posted by revolvingiris

If your getting called with Ax a ton: Do some math on equity calculations with pokerstove vs the Ax range. Then compare those to the pot odds your getting. Just a reminder, you dont have to be ahead in the hand to make $ long term.

If you are constantly the underdog, how can you make $ long term? If anything, time will tell ya that you're the underdog too often. Unless you're talking about using FE..

I'm confused.