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11$ STT 6th hand wtf is this and wtf to do?

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  1. #1

    Default 11$ STT 6th hand wtf is this and wtf to do?

    from the CO is what threw me off ive seen it from EP with AA KK but limp from the CO and all in just seems f'ed up.
    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10+$1 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    UTG+1 (t2070)
    MP1 (t1880)
    MP2 (t1380)
    MP3 (t1790)
    CO (t1530)
    Hero (Button) (t1450)
    SB (t1100)
    BB (t960)
    UTG (t1340)

    Hero's M: 48.33

    Preflop: Hero is Button with J, J
    5 folds, CO calls t20, Hero bets t100, SB calls t90, BB calls t80, CO raises to t1530 (All-In)

    Total pot: t400
  2. #2
    I would call this just about always. People are capable of open-limping AA from any position but this AK or smaller pairs much more often.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  3. #3
    I would say easy fold, its very early and do you really want to shove with JJ? If you are not a coin flip you are way behind at best. You do however have to take his range into consideration but shoving 67bb int a 5 bb raise?. Wait for a better spot imho
  4. #4
    I agree with baudib, call this. You have odds to take (the better end of) a flip if he has overcards and if he has QQ+ then he just played very badly. Also, from my experience this is at least as often baby pocket pairs that get "annoyed" at your raise as it is QQ+.
  5. #5
    I would call this also

    Most of the time this is an underpair or 2 overcards, although you do run into an overpair a small % of the time.

    This, coupled with the fact that there is at least some dead monies in the pot (pretty unlikely that SB or BB calls if you do, and even if they do they can't have hands that dominate yours) this is a call

    I have found that these types of plays are spewy players overplaying small pairs the majority of the time.


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  6. #6
    k well he did show up with QQ but line of thinkin was the same as yours with the ak and smaller pairs. the line just didnt make any sense to me but hey wtf QQ played horribly yeah?
  7. #7
    I would say this is a easy lay down. You are only 6 hands in the tourney, there is no reason to go to coin flips this early. I am sure we both can agree the CO played the hand bad. Without any info on how the CO plays, he can be holding anything. He can be over playing A-x or trying to make a move with pocket 7's, or AA-QQ.

    I would lay it down, and wait for a better spot to get my chips in. The only two hands I would not fault you for calling this with would be AA-KK. Any thing else QQ-22 should be an instant lay down.

    The only exception I would make for a call in this situation is if you seen the CO push or re-raise his last 6 hands at the table in a crazy manner.
  8. #8
    I would call, I expect to see mid PP much more often then high PP or AK


  9. #9
    I think this is an easy fold. Obviously the limp by CO is wack, but his willingness to shove over a raise and 2 calls looks to me like a monster that was just waiting for someone to bite. Not my style, but seen it happen plenty. Aside from the limp, was his play really that bad? I don't blame him for not wanting to take a flop 4 ways with QQ. There's already around 300 in the pot, a re-raise is going to commit a decent portion of his stack. Maybe not maximum value but I don't think the push is that awful ... put the other guys to a decision.
  10. #10
    Quote Originally Posted by PokerBookie
    I would say this is a easy lay down. You are only 6 hands in the tourney, there is no reason to go to coin flips this early. I am sure we both can agree the CO played the hand bad. Without any info on how the CO plays, he can be holding anything. He can be over playing A-x or trying to make a move with pocket 7's, or AA-QQ.
    Using the range you imply, why would you ever fold here?

    equity win tie
    Hand 0: 35.325% 34.91% 00.42% { 77+, A2s+, KQs, A2o+, KQo }
    Hand 1: 64.675% 64.26% 00.42% { JJ }

    Quote Originally Posted by WeaselT
    k well he did show up with QQ but line of thinkin was the same as yours with the ak and smaller pairs. the line just didnt make any sense to me but hey wtf QQ played horribly yeah?
    Yes he played horribly. By limping, he loses a lot of value from his QQ in most circumstances. What happens if the 3 players still to act limp in as well and the flop comes A or K high? What if the BB hits a BB special hand and he loses his whole stack when BB would have folded if he had raised?

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