$22 NLHE FTOPS Mini #20, awkward spot w 8-8 in BB

FTOPS Mini #20 Awkward stack size with 8-8 on BB, EP limp, MP raises 4x… ???

This was a hand I had in the Ftops Mini #20 that I felt was an awkward spot for a couple of reasons, one being stack size as I’m not deep enough to be getting implied odds to set mine and too deep to just come over the top with a shove (3-betting here would be nearly half my stack and a smaller 3-bet would be over a third of my stack so why not just shove). Also we are on the BigBlind and will be playing the hand out of position if we just ‘call’ and will likely be in a 3-way pot (see below.. ‘read’ on Player 1’s previous play).

A lot of the play at this point has been uncontested preflop raises & more so raises folding to 3-bets or calling & shoving or betting flop (depending upon stack size involved). My image has been very tight and last showdown I had 3-bet in LP w AA, calling a 4-bet shove and having AA hold over QQ.
For this hand though, ‘Player 2’ has just sat down on my table 3 hands prior and has no read onthe table playing but jumped right in aggressively as this is the 2nd hand of 3 he’s played now (also, I’ve seen him play in the past and know he’s a LAG-tard 30/17/3 with poor results ie. 260-mtt’s ROI -51% avg.buyin $11).
Player 1 is a weak player (plays Pass/Agg) and is capable of limping in with big hands. They’ve been limping a lot (they seem to limp their entire range.. AA > 7-6s from any position 23/4/2.2).
Player 1 has Limp/Call preflop many times but is very transparent post-flop.
They also have poor results with 379-mtt’s, ROI -54%, avg.buyin $5.

There are some good players on the table also (ie. ‘4everunknown’… a reg. in larger buyins and ranked quite high). Names of players in the hand have been blocked to protect their anonymity.

Hero has - 13.8 M, 30bb’s
Approx. 1500 players left, with around 1,000 getting paid.


Full Tilt Poker Game #12237363348: MiniFTOPS Event #20 (84243736), Table 546 - 170/340 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 16:32:36 ET - 2009/05/15
Seat 1: 4everunkown (17,820)
Seat 2: dchendes (16,376)
Seat 3: bukithepro (4,690)
Seat 4: Hero (10,213)
Seat 5: Sharkinapond (8,932)
Seat 6: Teki1986 (4,030)
Seat 7: terribleone000 (20,239)
Seat 8: Player-1 (18,900)
Seat 9: Player-2 (25,046)
4everunkown antes 25
dchendes antes 25
bukithepro antes 25
Hero antes 25
Sharkinapond antes 25
Teki1986 antes 25
terribleone000 antes 25
Player-1 antes 25
Player-2 antes 25
bukithepro posts the small blind of 170
Hero posts the big blind of 340
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [8d 8h]
Sharkinapond folds
Teki1986 has 15 seconds left to act
Teki1986 folds
terribleone000 folds
Player-1 calls 340
toddthefox630 raises to 1,360
4everunkown folds
dchendes folds
bukithepro folds
Hero has 15 seconds left to act
Hero has requested TIME

….????...... what do we do?

oops.... I thought there names had been hidden (toddthefox is obv. Player 2, lol). Bear with me,... this is my first HandHistory Post on here.
TKs.

Ty for making a quality thread, I love all the detailed reads.

Your right about set mining...we can't do it. Calling is going to lead to some tough spots since we'll be out of position in possibly a 3 way pot with 88 and very little chips behind. So I think its a shove/fold spot.

I'd probably fold (it has nothing to do about being close to ITM) but its close. The note about the limper being positionally unaware is good because it means his limping range is weak from anywhere. I'm most concerned about the isolation raise because in my experience people don't isolate nearly as wide as you see in cash games. He's also in mid-position and has to get through 4 other players, so his range might be fairly strong. I'd probably get it in with 20BBs, but not 30

Originally Posted by fjuanl

Ty for making a quality thread, I love all the detailed reads.

Your right about set mining...we can't do it. Calling is going to lead to some tough spots since we'll be out of position in possibly a 3 way pot with 88 and very little chips behind. So I think its a shove/fold spot.

I'd probably fold (it has nothing to do about being close to ITM) but its close. The note about the limper being positionally unaware is good because it means his limping range is weak from anywhere. I'm most concerned about the isolation raise because in my experience people don't isolate nearly as wide as you see in cash games. He's also in mid-position and has to get through 4 other players, so his range might be fairly strong. I'd probably get it in with 20BBs, but not 30

I agree that its close but I am shoving here. Iso guy is a LAG and they love to punish limpers with a wide range. They also despise getting 3bet. I am pretty sure with our FE we are good enough here to get it in. If mp is limping a big hand then gg him.

I think call but this is definitely the smallest pair I'd call with.

Originally Posted by mcatdog

I think call but this is definitely the smallest pair I'd call with.

Would you ever lead any flops and what kind of boards would you stack off on?

Originally Posted by fjuanl

Would you ever lead any flops and what kind of boards would you stack off on?

Sure, boards that include an 8!

I think im folding this hand in this situation tho.

Any more responses?? (it's my first HH post)