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  1. #1

    Default $1.50 9-Max SNG In The $$

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 150/300 NL - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: 26.15 BB (VPIP: 17.51, PFR: 8.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 229)
    BTN: 10.52 BB (VPIP: 24.53, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
    Hero (SB): 8.33 BB

    3 players post ante of 0.08 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.75 BB) Hero has 6 A

    fold, Hero raises to 8.25 BB and is all-in, BB calls 7.25 BB

    Is this a standard shove here in a SNG? Just feels awkward risking the whole SNG on A6o, you know? I had just made the money a few hands earlier and it was just down to the three of us. At this point, we were all playing any ace and push/folding every hand, obviously.

    Thanks
    Last edited by BigSlickBaby; 03-22-2015 at 01:09 AM.
  2. #2
    Before I did some calcs I thought A6o would be an easy shove.

    Assuming 0.5/0.3/0.2 payout structure nash is

    47.2%, 22+ Ax+ K2s+ K4o+ Q3s+ Q8o+ J6s+ J9o+ T6s+ T9o 96s+ 98o 86s+ 75s+ 65s 54s

    Villain should be calling
    32.1%, 22+ Ax+ K4s+ K8o+ Q8s+ QTo+ J9s+ JTo

    Which I really doubt he is so we can probably shove wider than nash by an absolute tonne as an exploitable measure. Much much wider than I originally thought.
  3. #3
    Standard shove here with A6 ,3 handed with 8bbs...
  4. #4
    Thank you guys...I appreciate the input.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - 150/300 NL - Holdem - 3 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    BB: 26.15 BB (VPIP: 17.51, PFR: 8.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.27, Hands: 229)
    BTN: 10.52 BB (VPIP: 24.53, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 109)
    Hero (SB): 8.33 BB

    3 players post ante of 0.08 BB, Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.75 BB) Hero has 6 A

    fold, Hero raises to 8.25 BB and is all-in, BB calls 7.25 BB

    Flop: (16.75 BB, 2 players) T 8 2

    Turn: (16.75 BB, 2 players) K

    River: (16.75 BB, 2 players) 6

    BB shows K A (One Pair, Kings)
    (Pre 74%, Flop 82%, Turn 100%)
    Hero shows 6 A (One Pair, Sixes)
    (Pre 26%, Flop 18%, Turn 0%)
    BB wins 16.75 BB
    Last edited by BigSlickBaby; 03-22-2015 at 04:05 PM.
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    Yeah, standard.
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Eric View Post
    Yeah, standard.
    I've run into AKo about a dozen times in a SNG this past week lol...
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    Stop being results oriented and learn ICM.

    Would you have posted this if you'd shoved, he'd folded and all moved on?
    Just dipping my toes back in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bjsaust View Post
    Stop being results oriented and learn ICM.

    Would you have posted this if you'd shoved, he'd folded and all moved on?
    Touche'. Of course I never would have even thought about the hand again. Well done, Sir
  9. #9
    Good shove, you need to make that move when you are as low as you were, gratz on the cash.
  10. #10
    This shove is pretty standard since you have 8bb and you are the shortest stack. If the other villian had something like 4bb then you have to fold for ICM reasons
  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by MTCashman View Post
    Good shove, you need to make that move when you are as low as you were, gratz on the cash.
    Thank you. I drifted back to Cash games though after a bit. Right now, at these stakes, I'm winning more money by playing them. In the micros here, it's all about stacking fish and it's not the same thing in a SNG because they can hide their terrible post flop play behind the blind structure and push/fold model.

    I made $30 over 1200 hands @ 6NL today and I'm getting close to 10NL. I moved up from 2NL to here in just a couple of weeks. Soft site but my game is improving dramatically at this point.
  12. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by matiusaa View Post
    This shove is pretty standard since you have 8bb and you are the shortest stack. If the other villian had something like 4bb then you have to fold for ICM reasons
    I need to spend more time studying ICM before I step back into the tournament foray. Is ICM just as important in MTT's?
  13. #13
    Its very very important, specially in sits. You need to know about ICM because some moves might seem profitable, but they actually aren't. I mean lets say btn has 4 bb, if you shove and get called I think you will have at the best a 60-40 in your favour. If you double up, you will still be in 2nd position, but that 40% of times you loose you will be cashing 3rd instead of second, when btn with 4 bb is very likely to bust out in 1 or 2 hands, and that means you will be having a jump in the payouts without risking your stack.

    In my scenario, the shove is profitable in chips (in the long run you will have more chips) but its not profitable in $$.
  14. #14
    Yes, std push.
  15. #15
    Playing with an ICM calculator is definitely your friend. Here is a free one you can use: http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web...s/nashicm.html
    This will give you an idea of what shoving and calling ranges to adhere to. Then just make adjustments if you feel your opponent is playing looser/tighter than these ranges dictate.
  16. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by Weissr View Post
    Playing with an ICM calculator is definitely your friend. Here is a free one you can use: http://www.holdemresources.net/h/web...s/nashicm.html
    This will give you an idea of what shoving and calling ranges to adhere to. Then just make adjustments if you feel your opponent is playing looser/tighter than these ranges dictate.
    nice link, thanks

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