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    Default Stars migrating UK players

    benefits of the new regime compared to the way other countries have implemented regulation are summarised by richas on 2+2

    Quote Originally Posted by Richas View Post
    We are still running good. This locks in international pools, provides a model to reunite the EU market, it even opens up US compacts. Honestly, what are we moaning about? A new global regulator from the most liberal gambling environment in the world, with social protection for those that need it.

    OK the UKGC has no experience of online poker regulation but I know they have been thinking about their new role for 2 years as I have been banging on at them for that long. They may well still screw up but let's compare it to New Jersey or Nevada


    No geolocation crap
    No cap on total licencees or new entrants
    No casino tie in required
    International player pools
    Letting foreign based firms compete.
    Regulating the B2B networks not just the skins (think Purple Lounge)


    UK is still running good but more, so is everyone* else.


    * not so much for grey black markets. Soz but I blame your governments not us Brits.

    downside is that VIP will be downgraded to reflect the new tax that stars have to pay (but even then vip benefits to players aren't taxed) and auto top up is removed(could be temporary and may soon get solved by an AHK script)
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    Top up thing is a bit gay but not exactly the end of the world as has been said will no doubt get fixed eventually.

    Worse VIP system is also a bit gay.

    Rest is pretty awesome.
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    uk is introducing regulated gambling without all the bullshit measures that US players have to put up with. Sites either have to comply with the regulations or cease serving UK customers. There's knock on complications though in that sites are not allowed to serve UK customers if they serve customers in countries where they are not regulated. this means that sites "illegally" serving US players like winning full flush, revolution will have to avoid UK players else through EU treaties they will risk asset seizure/arrest . this will also impact grey markets like russia, australia south africa etc.
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    I have no idea what the implications of this are. Am I still going to be able to play vs Russians? That's all that really matters.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
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    You guys think that's good? We have the same system over here, and besides that many sites decides not to take the license, many go under and sell out to sites that already have the license, meaning we Danes get less and less places to play. Most of those big sites that did not want the license have locked us out. I can see that the UK market is bigger that the Danish market, so their might be more who'll take the license, but there will be some who'll lock UK citizens out. I liked the old days better where sites with an address in the EU were tax free, and the rest you had to pay tax off. I think that law still counts for other EU countries that isn't regulated. Here in Denmark the licenses runs out in 2017, and then I fear many of the few that are left will drop out. But as I said, maybe the UK market is big enough for many to take the license, probably, but for a Danish lowroller like me, the poker law over here is crap. It will only hurt the small players, as the pros will always find something to play. There is also less and less value in what they offer us. Not really any good promotions left anywhere for us Danes. No, once again Politicians have ruined it for the regular guy. I hate politicians I hope it will be better for the UK players than it is for us.
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    the key thing is that its not a ring fenced single uk market .we will get to play the whole of the worldwide player base on a stars.co.uk skin or titanbet.co.uk for titan and only the rake attributable to uk players after vip payments is then taxed. Compare that to the spanish danish and french models where players are limited to single nation player pools with terrible liquidity and falling player numbers and an unprofitable background for the skins.

    Not sure of the position on merge /winning that are "illegally" offering poker to US players , they will either have to kick UK players or risk asset seizure when it passes into EU bank accounts (EU because of single market and cross border banking agreements) . This is balanced by another of the UK regulations though that forces all sites to have segregated player funds if they apply for a licence. Whether that just applies to the UK skin though or to the parent company i'm not sure but it should make the playing environment for UK players a lot safer .

    It may also mean that smaller networks like chico hive etc no longer take UK players as they would not be able to make the licence profitable.
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    I don't know about France and Spain but we can also play the whole world excepts those two countries on Stars. There is nowhere where we are limited to only playing agaist Danes. There are just not that many left with a license, as many use the same software, and don't offer anything special compared to the others from the same network.
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    i guess we are lucky in the UK having some pretty big bookmakers sited here who are also involved in poker and they will probably be applying for licences to cover the horse racing/ slots side of their businesses as well. I've no idea what will happen with UK accounts on no licensed poker sites. some are kicking UK players to avoid any problems but the grey area is the sites that would not get a UK licence but continue to let UK players play anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Am I still going to be able to play vs Russians? That's all that really matters.

    made my day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    i guess we are lucky in the UK having some pretty big bookmakers sited here who are also involved in poker and they will probably be applying for licences to cover the horse racing/ slots side of their businesses as well. I've no idea what will happen with UK accounts on no licensed poker sites. some are kicking UK players to avoid any problems but the grey area is the sites that would not get a UK licence but continue to let UK players play anyway.
    Yes, one of my favourite sites before the license was Paddy Power Poker, they locked us out as soon as they decided not to take the license. William Hill locked us out 6 months later or so, and Betfred just did recently. Titan keept letting us play until the Danish tax department contacted them and told them to lock us out. That booky thing will save the UK players. That is a big plus.
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    Also having a 60m+ population helps, while Denmark's population is lower than London. The UK is probably one of the leading poker markets in the world, lagging only behind Russia, USA, Germany and Brazil I'd imagine. I can't see many poker rooms being happy to lose the UK market, so most will apply for the license and pay the tax. Demark is not really a huge loss from a business pov. Which sucks for you guys.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Also having a 60m+ population helps, while Denmark's population is lower than London. The UK is probably one of the leading poker markets in the world, lagging only behind Russia, USA, Germany and Brazil I'd imagine. I can't see many poker rooms being happy to lose the UK market, so most will apply for the license and pay the tax. Demark is not really a huge loss from a business pov. Which sucks for you guys.
    Yes, the Politicians think they have done everything right once again. The only players that suffers under this License over here, are lowrollers like me who search for value games, and they are rare these days. The pros will always find a game. I fear that when the licenses runs out in 2017, that only Poker Stars and the Danish booky Danske Spil that runs the Party Poker network will be left. Always on the little man
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    if the uk market succeeds though there is a possibility that politicians will look at the tax revenues and try and link danish player pool into the UK regulated player pool under a joint regulatory system which could then possibly spread europe wide minimising licence costs to operators, providing a liquid market and each country getting a tax share on its citizens rake less a contribution to a regulatory fee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    if the uk market succeeds though there is a possibility that politicians will look at the tax revenues and try and link danish player pool into the UK regulated player pool under a joint regulatory system which could then possibly spread europe wide minimising licence costs to operators, providing a liquid market and each country getting a tax share on its citizens rake less a contribution to a regulatory fee.
    That would be great, cause on it's own I think the Danish market will die out
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    had emails from carbon and players only telling me to withdraw my funds as they withdraw from UK market at the end of the month.
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    thats got more interesting, get your cash out off any poker site that serves us players, what will happen if poker stars, full tilt , go back into us again, or is this eu going bonkers again
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    are u getting your cash out off carbon. players only. acr. let us know please 6 days to go
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    anybody know what sites are leaving uk markets and whos got licences mansion poker leaving get your cash out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joker131 View Post
    thats got more interesting, get your cash out off any poker site that serves us players, what will happen if poker stars, full tilt , go back into us again, or is this eu going bonkers again
    stars etc will only go back into USA in a "legal" manner to states that issue them licences and that stars pays tax to. The sites that won't get a licence are the ones that offer poker to countries where it is illegal to do so, so bodog/bovada and merge network and revolution network sites won't be getting a licence. theres also a grey area market with countries like australia ,russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by joker131 View Post
    are u getting your cash out off carbon. players only. acr. let us know please 6 days to go
    Why would I be pulling my money off of US sites? Further, it's 10/2 now. Is everything ok after all?

    edit: Ah, I think I see now. You're not talking about US players pulling their money off of US facing sites, you're talking about UK players pulling their money off of US facing sites, right?
    Last edited by BigSlickBaby; 10-03-2014 at 12:02 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Top up thing is a bit gay but not exactly the end of the world as has been said will no doubt get fixed eventually.

    The UK Gambling Commission has approved auto top-ups at online poker tables in a clarifying statement.
  23. #23
    Has this actually happened? Because come to think of it, I haven't had to reinstall the client, nor have I been notified that I'm now on stars.uk
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
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    http://www.pokerstars.com/uk-migration/

    I was under the impression that this migration had already taken place but apparently it's November 1.

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