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  1. #1
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    Default Some hands review

    Hi guys,

    I'd like your advice on some hands:

    1. Villain was pretty agro pre and post flop (not maniac though)
    The question here is how often does he bet river with AK here? If he sometimes bet it's a call, even if he has TT here I'll win enough of these hands (when the T does not drop on the river) that maybe doesn't matter too much on the river?
    My hand is pretty transparent here and he probably knows I might not fold QQ-JJ (BTW vs him I'll play the same pre KK and AA but he doesn't know that).
    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from
    Button ($11.20)
    SB ($17.92)
    MP ($3.85)
    BB ($5.38)
    Hero (UTG) ($11.31)
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J
    Hero raises $0.35, 1 fold, Button raises $1.20, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.85
    Flop: ($2.55) 4, 5, 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $1.21, Hero calls $1.21
    Turn: ($4.97) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $2.36, Hero calls $2.36
    River: ($9.69) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $6.43 (All-In), Hero ???

    2. Again same villain as hand 1. FLOP is standard. TURN we cannot do anything else then call I think, raising will remove the possibility of the 4th flush (which would be pretty bad). River it pretty awfull Even JJ beats (and 77) us. But again villain was pretty agro and board is pretty scary does he jamms AK/Q often enough?
    This hand happened some hands after hand 1.
    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from
    SB ($16.44)
    BB ($26.67)
    MP ($10.98)
    Button ($10.54)
    Hero (UTG) ($10.25)
    Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
    Hero raises $0.35, 3 folds, BB raises $1, Hero calls $0.75
    Flop: ($2.25) 3, 10, 8 (2 players)
    BB bets $1.40, Hero calls $1.40
    Turn: ($5.05) 9 (2 players)
    BB bets $3.60, Hero calls $3.60
    River: ($12.25) 7 (2 players)
    BB bets $20.57 (All-In), Hero ???

    3. Standard TAG no particular reads yet.
    TURN is a bet to make FD pay + extract value vs 76s, 97s, AcJc, QcJc, KcJc. Now river is pretty awfull and bet seems for value, easy fold? Though we are getting good odds to call on a big pot.
    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from ($14.51)
    Button ($10.11)
    UTG ($9.75)
    SB ($10)
    BB ($10.70)
    Hero (CO) ($10)
    Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, 9
    2 folds, Hero raises $0.30, Button calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, 1 fold
    Flop: ($1) 7, 7, 8 (3 players)
    SB checks, Hero bets $0.70, Button calls $0.70, 1 fold
    Turn: ($2.40) J (2 players)
    Hero bets $2, Button calls $2
    River: ($6.40) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $3.75, Hero ???

    4. Again vs TAG and no particular reads yet.
    Most KQ,JQ,QT would check being, it really seems for value, easy fold?
    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (5 handed) - Party-Poker Converter Tool from
    UTG ($10.16)
    SB ($11.75)
    Button ($10.06)
    MP ($10.15)
    Hero (BB) ($10.81)
    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, Q
    UTG raises $0.40, 1 fold, Button calls $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30
    Flop: ($1.25) Q, 6, 4 (3 players)
    Hero bets $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1
    Turn: ($3.25) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $1.90, Button calls $1.90
    River: ($7.05) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $3, Hero ????

  2. #2
    Interesting and marginal hands and I think we can exploitably fold all of these when we're playing our A-game.

    1) Would be interesting to know how many hands you have with villain and a bit more about the dynamic, but a good way to start the hand analysis is to think about your range and where JJ fits into that.

    If you're flatting KK and AA here, then I'm going to assume you 4bet nothing in this spot and have no bluffs (I think you should 4bet call KK though and flat aces some % of the time). I guess your continuing range UTG is therefore tight and something like 66+, AQ+, KQs (90 combos). Back of an envelope, we'd unexploitably continue with 25-30 combos by the river. That's going to be TT+, with JJ right at the bottom of that range.

    That said, I don't see even aggro villains having enough bluffs pre in this spot vs UTG and blindly barrelling post, so I can fold JJ comfortably by the river. If I have a real aggro dynamic with villain though, I'd call down and expect to be good often enough. Especially if villain just snap rips it in - I'd expect QQ+ to think about it some more.

    2) I think you should 4bet small pre given the new dynamic, but depends on whether you call or folded hand 1. I'm raising flop in any case on this texture and I'd just fold river - you have less than half pot behind and can have JJ in this spot, so it would seem really wild for villain to be ripping this with something you beat when he has close to no fold equity. Again, depends on the dynamic though.

    3) Little bit loose pre, but probably okay. Flop sizing is too big multiway on this board, half pot is likely better as villains typically overfold or check raise multiway, so sizing small is better imo.

    As played, it's probably reasonable to assume villain has some bricked nut flushes in his range and all of the suited connector 8x. 10nl regs will typically nit up and check back T9s and 7x, as well has Jc. Worth using Equilab to work out the solution here.

    4) Yeah, I'd expect most to check back a weaker hand with showdown value. You can have KK+, 6x and boats here that check river, so we can probably just about exploitably fold AQo here.
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    Thanks mate very nice analysis!
    I loved the sentence that we can exploitably fold all hands

    1) First time I seen him at the tables (he was in two of mine) and had some aggro stats preflop/postflop (around 35/30/3) on around 20-30 hands, i know it might not be enough but that was all I had.
    I get the non balancing even vs him so I'll 4bet here AA in the future as well, easier postflop.

    2) i called last hand (was not on my A game I guess ). Given this I suppose this is even more a fold, right? But why raising flop? If you do that I suppose you do the same with draws and then call a push? My plan was letting him bet the hell of the flop/turn but given previsous hand he would most likely shut down on the turn as he would see me as a station, right?

    3) yup I'll equilab on that. Thanks!

    4) vs a TAG is a 1/3 bet any good here or they would most likely fold?
    Last edited by jimmy44; 12-07-2016 at 09:43 AM.
  4. #4
    Hands one and two are tough. You say he's aggressive post flop, but really we need to know if he's been triple barreling much. Hero's image is also important.

    I think hand one is marginal, I could go either way. If villain thinks we have small pairs in our range, then I think we can call, because he might vbet the likes of 99 at river if he thinks we call lower pairs, or bluff AK if he thinks we fold. If we only have TT+ in our range come turn, well we should probably be folding.

    Hand two is painful. I feel like an aggro player can bluff this spot pretty profitably. If it was just the jack to worry about, I'd be inclined to call, if only to ensure he knows we're calling down all the way with AA. But our range has flushes too, yet this doesn't stop him putting us in. I'd say this is a fold.

    Hand three is a pretty easy fold for me.

    Hand four, I'm calling, assuming our read that he is TAG is correct. Solid players are probably not calling the turn with a flush draw in this spot, and certainly not calling the flop with a six. 44/66 are the only hands I'm concerned about. If he has a flush, that's great, I'll make a note that he's calling draws on paired turns, and making small vbets at river. Yes it does seem his sizing screams value, but that just makes it a great size to bluff. I actually suspect this is value with Qx, which we beat/chop.
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    Raise flop is a decent play in h2 imo, considering he won't expect AA. We'll get JJ-KK in no problem here, while I'd like to think we also have nfd in our raising range, which means he can call his Tx.
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  6. #6
    Hand 1 - Fold river often. Just not a spot ppl are bluffing that much. So fold without reads.

    Hand 2- Think this really depends on result of Hand 1. If you called and won hand 1 then I really doubt you're getting bluffed. I'd 4b GII pre. If you folded hand 1, then don't think you're getting bluffed, 4b GII. If you called and lost then I think this could be a bluff. Though really when you're UTG and getting 3b then the simplest is just to play it straight forward and 4B. Sure btn vs blinds dynamic, you can flat cause ppl are wide, but I think ppl are narrow enough here to 4b.

    Hand 3 - This is kinda gross spot. I feel like I station here often cause some % of 8x will fold turn, buta lot of FD's will still continue. It's prob close either way.

    Hand 4- BTN has too many FD's. think we gotta fold this. He cold even have 6xcc or something.
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    Thanks again guys!
    I called all, I was such a station last week! lol
    I started playing again poker since mid November after a long break (I think 6-7 years at least!) so I'm learning again
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    I know you've been away for a while, but it's still all the rage to put Villains on ranges.

    It's tough, but perhaps the most important skill in online poker (or any poker, really).

    You directed your questions such that your responses have told you what to do in these hands, but left only a vague outline of why that applies here, or the rewards and pitfalls of applying it again later in "similar" situations.

    I strongly encourage you to start your hand advice threads on the topic of "What is a way to guess at this Villain's ranges?" or "Is this a sensible guess at Villain's range OTT?"

    Once you have committed to your guess at their range, your course of action is implied. You can determine whether your line was +EV against your assumed range for Villain. Later on, we'll explore maximizing the pluses in +EV, but for now, just focus on being able to guess at a sensible range for your opponent every hand you study.

    When you're more comfortable committing to these (not quite, but still fairly wild) guesses, then things really will start to change in what you consider difficult spots.
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    Thanks mate!

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