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    No stats I dont have any software. most Villains this one included were playing TAG narrow ranges .

    I can put him on a range now but in the hands I have a hard time putting villains on ranges because the time limit is so fast , I'm sure it gets easier when your more experienced but it sucks right now .

    Once Villain calls on the flop I am thinking most likely Jx, JT,JQ,Jk, maybe TT-88 and calling a c-bet one time to see if I give up or they hit a set. Villain could also have 44 I guess slow playing it or Ax .

    Turn comes an 8c, I check with the intent on check raising here I figured if he had a pair and was going to raise he would call the re-raise especially if it was Jx which was a majority of his range imo. he couldve held a K i guess but was a bit unlikely. Anyways he does bet Turn and I checkraise in which he calls. Once Villain calls the turn I put him on Jx maybe even J8s because of the re-raise call on turn.theres not really any draws out there. River comes and I Shove all in. I wanted to make it look like i was bluffing the river so i came out with an all-in,but after I look at it now it just looks like a strong line since I check raised him . he folded and I feel like i lost value by not betting just half pot .
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    Here's a decent page on 2+2 talking about stat convergence using my favorite CI estimator for poker stats, the Wilson Score.


    If you look at the post with the graph in it, and read what that post is saying, you'll see what I'm talking about as far as needing 10's of thousands of hands on someone to trust what the computer is telling you is their frequency to do a low-% action.

    Someone else in the thread made a good point that there's not much difference in the estimates of 75% +/- 5% as far as what's in that range. We make basically the same decision whether it's as low as 70% or as high as 80%. However, 9% +/-5% is astronomical error bars for the kind of decision we're trying to make based on that 9%. We'd play very differently against a 4% range than we would against a 14% range.

    Rookies tend to put too much weight on what the poker tracker's stats are telling them, because I don't know of a poker tracker that includes the +/- for a given CI.
    I haven't kept up on poker trackers for many years, though, so maybe some do that, nowadays.
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