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Massive bloated flop pot + TPTK

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    Default Massive bloated flop pot + TPTK

    UTG is 36/29 over 15 hands
    HJ is 35/22 over 280 hands
    BTN is 35/18 over 20 hands
    SB is 24/18 over 250 hands

    With this SPR, I don't see that there's much to do other than shove - it seems kind of gross and lacking in finesse, but I can't really think of a sane alternative.

    Thoughts?

    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    BTN: $26.05 (260.5 bb)
    SB: $10.05 (100.5 bb)
    Hero (BB): $13.01 (130.1 bb)
    UTG: $15.83 (158.3 bb)
    MP: $9.85 (98.5 bb)
    CO: $10.80 (108 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K A
    UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, CO folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.70, UTG calls $1.40, MP calls $1.40, BTN calls $1.40, SB calls $1.40

    Flop: ($8.50) K Q 5 (5 players)
    SB checks, Hero????
  2. #2
    I'm betting $2.75 here with the intention of calling any jam.

    don' see much point in jamming. Betting so small at least lets some low FD jam over us, hat might not otherwise call a jam. Also let's a worse Kx jam or some spazz AQ or something.
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  3. #3
    I'd be wanting to shove the turn, should we be called on flop. I'd bet around $4, setting up the turn shove. Not folding.
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  4. #4
    I suppose we can shove turn if $2.75 gets called. I don't dislike that sizing either.
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    Massive bloated flop pot + TPTK
    Quote Originally Posted by BorisTheSpider View Post
    With this SPR, I don't see that there's much to do other than shove - it seems kind of gross and lacking in finesse, but I can't really think of a sane alternative.

    Thoughts?
    Those are my thoughts as well.

    I'm not really a fan of betting small and letting the various clubs/broadways draw for cheap.
  6. #6
    Most of his draws that we're worried about will just jam over a small bet anyhow.

    Axcc, Qxcc, JTcc, 9Tcc are all combo draws or draws witha lot of outs that I would expect to jam.

    So the only hands we're worried about peeling us on the cheap are things like AJ/AT (4 outs), JT (7 outs) or some few low FD's that might fold a jam but call a small bet like 67cc, 78cc, 89cc (9 outs - 3 combos).

    That being said, AJ/AT also have 2 outs to an A that will call a turn jam. JT has 6 outs to a J or T that might call a turn jam with a pair+OESD. So these low equity hands also have reverse implied odds.
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    I'm a couple hands down and I'm tryin' to get back
    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  7. #7
    Merits for both shoving and bet/call or bet/jam turn if called. My guess would be bet/call shows a higher ev overall but probably close since jamming flop has significantly higher fold equity vs oesd/non NFDs and I feel like that's where a lot of our value comes from when we jam. Don't expect to get called by a lot of worse pairs like KJ, KT when we jam, where I think they'd stick around for a smaller bet and be more willing to call a shove on a blank turn.

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