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  1. #1

    Default Line check KJdd

    Playing 10NL on ACR

    Hero has KJdd

    5 handed, folds to hero who opens $.40 from the BTN with KJdd

    SB raises to $1.30. BB folds. Hero calls(?)

    Flop (2.70) 2♠ K♣ 4♠

    SB bets 1.20, Hero calls (?)

    Turn 7♥

    SB Checks, Hero checks (?)

    River ($5.10) A♥

    SB bets $2.30

    Hero?
  2. #2
    Reason for not betting the turn?

    I think we can throw this away on the river.
  3. #3
    No reads on SB? I'm inclined to fold this to a 3bet, unless I have reason to think villain is 3betting wide.

    As played, well flop is a call at this price. I would probably bet the turn after he checks. River, as played I'd just fold to this bet, we're relying on him making a stone cold bluff here.

    We need reads here, stack sizes too, hero's image on button is also important.
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    ongies gonna ong
  4. #4
    why open 4bb on the button, easy fold to the 3bet , even easier if you open smaller.
  5. #5
    I don't see why this isn't an easy call pre. If not we are folding so much to 3bets we're losing loads of money pre. Are you all opening really tight on the button or something?

    I agree open smaller.
  6. #6
    I don't see why this isn't an easy call pre.
    It depends entirely on villain's range. If villain is 3betting like 4% or something stupid, then this is a clear fold. If he's 3betting an absurdly high number, 4betting might be correct. We don't have nearly enough information to make an informed decision pre flop, so we're basically hitting the default button. I don't think there's anything wrong with a deafult call or fold really, but I'd be erring on the side of fold.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  7. #7
    Ok, so I'm live player, winning at 1/2 and 2/5. Studied the game from that perspective for years, and now I'm just transitioning to online because I can't play as many hours as I used to at the casino and kinda wanna just "stay sharp" if that makes sense. Pre-black friday I played SNG's alot, but can't say I had great results.

    So in live play, I definitely shade my raises bigger. That's because people call with lots of dog shit that misses the flop and my cbets/double barrels are hugely profitable. If I'm gonna steal a pot, shouldn't it be a big one?

    My typical raise size live is 7-12x. So what's wrong with a 4x raise online?

    Live, I fold to the 3b. Bad implied odds, easily dominated, and the player pool does not have a propensity to ever raise with worse. My impressions, based on a small amount of superficial research and playing for a bit, is that online 3bet ranges are wider, and KJ suited is worth defending. True or false??

    Again, live, I check back the turn. Pretty tough to get called by KT in that spot, I want busted spades to bluff again, and I expect to win a lot a showdown.

    Here are we saying I could get called by KT? Will he just check/fold missed spades on the river? Or am I betting strictly for equity protection here, trying to get the guy to fold A5 or something?

    Not really sure what to say about reads. I don't have any. I don't use a HUD, and I find its hard to keep track of people's tendencies when they don't have faces. I guess I'm just looking for what would be a balanced, default approach to this hand against an unknown.
    Last edited by BananaStand; 11-21-2016 at 03:56 PM.
  8. #8
    I also don't have a problem with a x4 open if we're seeing a lot of calling from these two on the blinds.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  9. #9
    Not really sure what to say about reads. I don't have any. I don't use a HUD, and I find its hard to keep track of people's tendencies when they don't have faces.
    I think this is an area you'll need to focus on if you're to make money online.

    Make notes when you see people show their cards, especially if what you see seems crazy or suboptimal.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  10. #10
    Opening smaller when your range is widest and you have position makes good logical sense. You can respond well to 3bets, save money when you fold and keep the SPR lower when you have position. Opening bigger is fine though if you're tighter and there are loose passive players in the blinds that check fold a lot of flops, or pay off big bets post flop with marginal hands when they have no control over the size of the pot Oop.

    In these seats, continuing with 50% of your opening range will likely be okay readless I.e. If you're opening 40% of hands pre, you can continue with 20%. With reads, you can adjust accordingly, but KJs will usually be a fine call in position on the button.

    Flop is fine. If we fold this, we're folding far too much. Raising is a disaster.

    I think betting turn vs a check is a mistake that a lot of players make, as I just can't see that it achieves anything. It sucks when river is an ace, but that's going to be less than 10% of the time. It's also a good spot for villain to bluff on the river, but most won't when the pot is big. How often do you need to be good to make the call and are you good often enough here?
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 11-21-2016 at 07:05 PM.
  11. #11
    Haven't read other posts yet but my first thought seeing this hand was:
    1. Why are we opening 4x on btn? I'd maaybe do this if there was a mega whale not folding anything in blinds, but other than that it's huge imo.
    2. Now that we 4x and are getting 3b, meh I'd probably just fold it. Likely call if we made it 2x or 2.5 pre.

    As played, I like post-flop and fold now. Turn is probably close with regards to betting or checking. It's definitely gross if we bet and get jammed.
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    I gave the other grip, I lost a flip for five stacks
  12. #12
    Don't open too big, 3x or 2.5x should be enough... then bet/bet/bet

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