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    Default Few more hands 2nl

    Not exactly sure what I am doing here
    On flop i'm not sure if I should be betting. I do have a decent amount of equity, but this flop smashes his flatting range. Not sure exactly what our plan should be OTF.

    On turn once he checks again I think it is unlikely we are facing 77,99,TT,JJ,QQ,9T, or a flush. Villain's range is something like: 44-66, 88, 67s-89s, T8s, J9s, JTs, Q9s+,K9s+,A9s+, AQo, and KQo without any flushes. Against this range I think our fold equity from one barrel will be limited, but I do not know if I should be barreling off with draws as weak as my own. I expect he will call with something like: 78s, 88, 98s, T8s, J9-A9s, JT-ATs, QJs, KJs, and any AQ or KQ with a spade.

    River brings a 2nd T which I think definitely helps his range more than mine, but after removal only 6 of the remaining 44 combos I gave him have a T and I can't really see him calling with much else. I doubt I will see a 9 hero and all spade/straight draws missed.

    Think I may have butchered this 1, but I would appreciate any help with it. My biggest concern is how we should build our ranges OTF.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

    UTG+1: 98 BB (VPIP: 35.29, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 17)
    MP: 106.5 BB (VPIP: 16.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
    MP+1: 102.5 BB (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 7.69, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
    MP+2: 91 BB (VPIP: 23.53, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 17)
    CO: 352 BB (VPIP: 17.19, PFR: 11.81, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 128)
    Hero (BTN): 179 BB
    SB: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)
    BB: 50.5 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 40.00, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 13)
    UTG: 33.5 BB (VPIP: 31.25, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Ac Jc
    UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, MP+2 calls 1 BB, CO raises to 6 BB, Hero raises to 21.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 15.5 BB

    Flop : (46.5 BB, 2 players) 9s 7c Ts
    CO checks, Hero checks

    Turn : (46.5 BB, 2 players) 4s
    CO checks, Hero bets 22 BB, CO calls 22 BB

    River : (90.5 BB, 2 players) Th
    CO checks, Hero bets 63 BB, fold

    1 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.


    This hand was kind of a weird one.

    So UTG straddles and so far seems to be a very loose player on the passive side of things. Normally I don't think I would like flatting in the BU with the straddle still left to act, but with the min sizing of the original raiser, and the fact that I doubt the straddler will 3bet with much frequency makes flatting seem better. Also original raiser's stack size makes me less inclined to 3b. I can definitely see a fold here, but these are two of the players I most want to play hands with, and the price isn't terrible assuming the straddler won't 3b often.

    Flop I'm lost. I definitely want to be c/r'ing any T9, 45(if we should have it), as well as sets and some bluffs(though I am not sure which hands to put in this range). Whether or not we should be c/r our two pairs seems kind of close to me. We get value from flush draws, any pair+straight draw type hands, but I think when we get it in we are mostly dominated. I leaned towards c/r a plan to get it in here due to villain's shorter stack size, but I think when he 3bs the flop we are almost always dead.
    Thoughts?
    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

    MP+1: 71.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 30.43, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 24)
    MP+2: 111.5 BB (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
    CO: 97 BB (VPIP: 19.05, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
    BTN: 84 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
    SB: 306.5 BB (VPIP: 17.78, PFR: 11.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 135)
    Hero (BB): 248.5 BB
    UTG: 50 BB (VPIP: 71.43, PFR: 35.71, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 43)
    UTG+1: 55 BB (VPIP: 52.63, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 20)
    MP: 31 BB (VPIP: 26.09, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

    UTG bets 2 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 3.5 BB) Hero has 8c 7cfold, fold, MP+1 raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2 BB, UTG calls 1 BB

    Flop : (9.5 BB, 3 players) 8d 7h 6d
    Hero checks, UTG checks, MP+1 bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, MP+1 raises to 68.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 43.5 BB

    Turn : (146.5 BB, 2 players) 9s

    River : (146.5 BB, 2 players) 7s

    2 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.


    So here I am mostly curious about the river decision to jam. Felt like a good spot as I doubt villain will have many 6x in his range, and I can definitely have some. Only 4 hands on villain though so hard to know.


    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

    BB: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 42.86, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 7)
    UTG: 100 BB
    UTG+1: 121 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 8)
    MP: 125.5 BB (VPIP: 16.88, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 78)
    MP+1: 93 BB (VPIP: 8.97, PFR: 6.41, 3Bet Preflop: 3.13, Hands: 79)
    Hero (CO): 100 BB
    BTN: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
    SB: 161 BB (VPIP: 24.05, PFR: 9.26, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 1,843)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, UTG posts penalty blind 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 2.5 BB) Hero has Js Ts
    UTG checks, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 5 BB, BTN calls 5 BB, fold, fold, fold

    Flop : (12.5 BB, 2 players) 4s As 5c
    Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

    Turn : (30.5 BB, 2 players) 3h
    Hero bets 21.5 BB, BTN calls 21.5 BB

    River : (73.5 BB, 2 players) 2d
    Hero bets 64.5 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 62 BB and is all-in

    3 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.



    Final hand:
    Mostly curious about river decision here. I think preflop is close, but not a bad spot to call. Don't really think I can fold flop. Definitely would have folded turn, but I think i should have folded river as well. I definitely have better hands to call with, but his sizing is so small.

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 8 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

    SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
    BB: 100 BB
    UTG: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 12.90, PFR: 6.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
    UTG+1: 97 BB (VPIP: 7.94, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 3.70, Hands: 64)
    Hero (MP): 157 BB
    MP+1: 199.5 BB (VPIP: 10.59, PFR: 3.53, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 85)
    CO: 90 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
    BTN: 168 BB (VPIP: 24.02, PFR: 9.20, 3Bet Preflop: 1.69, Hands: 1,820)

    SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8d 9d
    fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to 10 BB, Hero calls 7 BB

    Flop : (20.5 BB, 2 players) 7c 2c 8s
    BB bets 9 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

    Turn : (38.5 BB, 2 players) Kc
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River : (38.5 BB, 2 players) Th
    BB bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

    1 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
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    Hi, these hands are painful to read.

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    As best I can tell, the 87s hand is standard. UTG is minraising and is yet to 3bet, so facing a min 3bet on the BB with passive players to act, we can go ahead and make the call. We flop top 2pair, it's a 3bet pot, there's plenty of people in the hand, I think a c/r is fine here but we could lead out too. Stacking off on flop is outstanding for us because we're getting 89 and 99+ in for sure, other 9x doesn't want to fold, flush draws, this is a great spot to have top 2pair. Sometimes we'll see 66 or 9T, but not as often as hands we're beating.

    2nd hand, probably best to just give up river. Villain probably has an ace and has shown no sign of folding it. I think you're overestimating your fold equity.

    3rd hand, river decision is marginal. I'd probably fold, but if I had reads that villain was stabbing river lightly, well then I'd call. I would call flop, fold turn.
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    Definitely best to post a new thread for each hand, with nice and clean formatting. That said, these are all fantastic hands for discussion as there's no clear and obvious way to proceed. FWIW;

    AcJC: I think pre flop is an overplay from the button and I prefer a polarised 3betting range in position. Flop and turn look fine against a likely weaker plsyer. River is marginal I would call wide in villain's position, but we likely have enough fold equity against strong Ax and under pairs.

    87s: looks okay versus a likely fish. Leading flop has some merit, as long as it has some balance and isn't just mashing buttons.

    JT: I think you're lighting money on fire at the micros. Sizing is too big and trying to fold out strong top pairs against most players is a losing proposition.

    Final hand: I like a small turn bet to set up a river check back. We protect our equity when we're ahead and get a cheaper showdown when not.
    Last edited by The Bean Counter; 08-04-2017 at 07:23 PM.
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    JcTc hand why do you guys both think top pair just isn't folding? Do you guys not see that the board is a straight or do you think villains dont see it?
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    I missed the AJs hand when reading this first time. My post assumes 78s is the 1st hand.

    AJs, we can just call this pre flop. As played, I'm struggling to imagine what value hands you check flop with and then fire turn and river with. You're screaming AK here, and I'd be calling anything that beats it.

    It's very doubtful top pair is folding to a river bet here, but generally it's a really bad idea to be trying to push people off top pair at these stakes. It isn't folding nearly as often as it should. Assume top pair calls, especially if our line is obviously questionable.

    I don't think he has much top pair, if any. He's relatively tight, so his JTs folds to your 3bet, probably his ATs too. His range is heavily weighted towards 99+ AQ+. There's a lot here that can play cautiously against your 3bet, or outright slow play. There's also not much that folds. If we're going to bluff this, I think we have to bet flop and turn before assessing river. If we check flop, we're not getting any credit when he beats AK. I assume here he folded AQ with a spade.
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    deleted dumb post

    The JTs hand, I got that confused with the AJs hand.

    There is actually a straight on the board, it's not 4-to-straight like I initially thought. It's hard to believe you have a six here, and once villain figures this out, he can call his entire range. He'll have a six sometimes, certanly A6s is in his range, and when he doesn't, he can figure you're bluffing often enough to justify calling to split the pot. Or maybe he's stupid and doesn't realise how bad it is to call a big bet like this to chop. It happens a lot.

    The point is though, why should he believe you have a six? Pick your spots better so villain isn't looking at the board and your line and thinking "this doesn't look right".
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    You 3bet too much,You open too loose, You call too loose You raise when You should limp along and You bluff way way too much. At 2nl You will Be losing because people arent folding, higher stakes You will Be losing because people will read You straight off in no more then 100 hands
    Last edited by Razvan729; 08-06-2017 at 11:45 PM.
    All posts are just my own opinion about a hand or a general situation... not advices on how you should play...

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