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  1. #1
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    Default Easy call or fold??

    Hi guys,

    It's been a while since I played poker, something like 5 years I think!
    Trying to play a bit at the micros.
    Not many reads on villain except that seemed passive (few hands though).
    I think pre 5bet is clearly spew at these levels FR.
    FLOP: check here is standard, what hands can I put him on? KK maybe JJ, but maybe badly played AA/AK vs a non-fish like me, but at this level they mostly play their cards
    TURN: turn is definitively bet for value if he had JJ, AA or AK
    RIVER: haha? most of the time this line seems like slow played KK (maybe AA or AK). I'm getting awesome odds. If he bluffs or has AK 11% of the time call is OK, the question is: Does he?


    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com/
    Button ($8.36)
    SB ($4.90)
    BB ($5.09)
    UTG ($11.59)
    UTG+1 ($5.49)
    MP1 ($6.25)
    MP2 ($4.55)
    Hero (MP3) ($5.38)
    CO ($5.02)
    Preflop: Hero is MP3 with ,
    2 folds, MP1 calls $0.05, MP2 raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.60, 5 folds, MP2 raises to $1.60, Hero calls $1
    Flop: ($3.32) , , (2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero checks
    Turn: ($3.32) (2 players)
    MP2 checks, Hero bets $1.30, MP2 calls $1.30
    River: ($5.92) (2 players)
    MP2 bets $1.65 (All-In), Hero?
  2. #2
    It's not pretty but I really don't see us folding for this price at river. We only need to be good somewhere around 22% of the time I think. Easy call.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
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  3. #3
    you have a read that he's passive , yet he's 4bet you . absent of any stats i'm thinking this is AA or KK and a fold pre
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    (few hands though)
    Not folding pre.

    We really should be betting bigger than this at turn, I think we should just put him in, it's under pot.
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    Thanks guys!
    Keith, I was thinking this could be a pre fold! Villain is MP in Full Ring, he seemed passive and this is the micros. But he was on MP+1 not EP so maybe calling is better.
    Thinking behind small bet on turn was to get value from badly played AK/AA. On that diamond card he might fold by putting everything in.
    Last edited by jimmy44; 11-21-2016 at 03:10 AM.
  6. #6
    I don't think there are any hands in his range that call this turn bet that would've folded to a shove. AA and AK will both call.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It's not pretty but I really don't see us folding for this price at river. We only need to be good somewhere around 22% of the time I think. Easy call.
    Saying you only need to be good a small % of the time is only a good enough reason to call if you're good more than that small percentage.

    We might be good if villain plays AK this way but it's unlikely. I'd also say villain is almost never bluffing in this spot for two reasons. They are his range doesn't really include anything a villain at this level would turn into a bluff & he doesn't have enough left behind to make any sort of bluff that scary to call. At this level I'd be surprised if anyone is folding two pair to a bet like that on the river.

    How many combos of AK does he need to play this way for this to be a call for you?
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    How many combos of AK does he need to play this way for this to be a call for you?
    Whatever he has here is played weirdly, with the possible exception of JJ.

    AA, KK, AK, all three of these hands have missed obvious betting opportunities. It's not just a case of saying "how many of his AK combos play like this" because to ask that, one then has to apply that thought process with KK/AA too.

    I agree villain is not bluffing. I suspect his JJ got there. But if he has JJ, he has AQs at least, and can play it like this. And if he can play AA/KK like this, so too can he play AK like this.

    So I can't see this being a fold at any point in the hand (*edit - unless he bets flop ofc). I just wish we'd shoved turn to avoid this river situation.
    Last edited by OngBonga; 11-21-2016 at 01:08 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  9. #9
    Not a fan of 3betting pre in these seats. I think it's much better to take a flop, rather than waste the value of QQ when he folds and being in a disaster of a spot when he 4bets when we have no reads. I'm really not even happy getting in KK in this spot, but I will.

    If villain 4bets JJ and AK, he's making a mistake, but I guess it's plausible. We're crushed by 6 combos of KK/AA , maybe 6 of JJ and a a few nut flushes. We really don't need many butchered AK and spaz outs to call this off, but sighing as I click the button.
  10. #10
    I'm really not even happy getting in KK in this spot, but I will.
    Oh come on. I'm pretty much always happy at micros to stack off pre with KK. I'm not against the idea of calling QQ here instead of 3bet, considering position, but if you're not happy with KK at 5nl in any position against nearly all villains then you're playing the wrong game.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
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  11. #11
    Usually fold in this spot

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