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  1. #1

    Default bunch of loose passives line check

    WPN No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - WPN Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

    Button ($30.83) VPIP: 37, PFR: 22, 3B: 10, AF: 1.6, Hands: 262
    Hero (SB) ($28.27)
    BB ($26.22) VPIP: 57, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 2.8, Hands: 126
    UTG ($48.24) VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.7, Hands: 533
    MP ($45.23) VPIP: 35, PFR: 22, 3B: 5, AF: 1.1, Hands: 63
    CO ($25.42) VPIP: 10, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 1.6, Hands: 339

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 10, 10
    1 fold, MP raises $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75, Hero raises $2.65, BB calls $2.50, MP calls $2, Button calls $2

    Flop: ($11) 10, K, 6 (4 players)
    Hero bets $6, 1 fold, MP calls $6, 1 fold

    Turn: ($23) 9 (2 players)
    Hero bets $19.52 (All-In), MP calls $19.52

    am I just lighting money on fire by shoving the turn?
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  2. #2
    I struggle to see what he can sensibly call and lose with unless he decides you must be bluffing ..2 pair I suppose if he's that loose and 66. AA if he has the Diamond.
    He might fold some lower flushes.

    He also might be passive enough that you could see the showdown more cheaply even if he has the flush (esp if it's the Q or J ..but he did call [Pre]). With AF of 1.1 I'm not expecting him to come out bluffing.

    On the whole I think you're better off saving your money here but I expect it's pretty close and at least you shouldn't get rivered.

    EDIT: I notice you only have 63 hands so he might be quite the fish though his number look relatively sane.
    Last edited by Timlagor; 02-12-2015 at 09:19 PM.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    am I just lighting money on fire by shoving the turn?
    Yes.

    Flop: It is four handed to the flop. Bet bigger on such a wet board. If someone is going to call with a draw, make sure he is getting really crappy odds.

    Turn: One of the worst card in the deck to come out. When you shove, you're really narrowing his call range here. Unless you have some sort of read that he's a total maniac, no villain would call here without a better hand than yours.

    The point of value betting is to get worse hands to call you or for a draw to call when getting a crappy price. On the turn, if you are value betting, he will not call with worse due to the bet size and if you are bluffing, then you only get hands worse than you to fold. In the end, the turn shove accomplishes nothing.
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by Sup3rM4N View Post
    Yes.

    Flop: It is four handed to the flop. Bet bigger on such a wet board. If someone is going to call with a draw, make sure he is getting really crappy odds.

    Turn: One of the worst card in the deck to come out. When you shove, you're really narrowing his call range here. Unless you have some sort of read that he's a total maniac, no villain would call here without a better hand than yours.

    The point of value betting is to get worse hands to call you or for a draw to call when getting a crappy price. On the turn, if you are value betting, he will not call with worse due to the bet size and if you are bluffing, then you only get hands worse than you to fold. In the end, the turn shove accomplishes nothing.
    I just looked at my notes on villain and :

    open Kh9so UTG, call x/shove on Ac9c2c with no FD.

    which doesn't say villain has worse than me in this spot, but I think if hes calling there in my note then he can def. have worse hands. Kx, case T, 2pr,66,99 etc.
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  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    I just looked at my notes on villain and :

    open Kh9so UTG, call x/shove on Ac9c2c with no FD.

    which doesn't say villain has worse than me in this spot, but I think if hes calling there in my note then he can def. have worse hands. Kx, case T, 2pr,66,99 etc.
    This kind of information should already be included in the initial post when posting hands
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Sup3rM4N View Post
    This kind of information should already be included in the initial post when posting hands
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  7. #7
    Good point about betting the Flop bigger though.
  8. #8
    how much bigger? like 8ish?
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  9. #9
    $8+ I would think.
    0.75P is one of my buttons that I use a lot now (used to mostly use P/2).

    $6 gives him nearly 3:1 Pot Odds which is pretty generous. I reckon you really want the flush draws to be marginal calls -or downright unprofitable so long as you aren't extreme enough to really make people stop and think. Remember you profit comes mostly from the fish.

    Without the flush draw or a dangerous Straight draw you can afford to keep the bet size down a bit (getting the stack in is not going to be hard with that preflop action).
  10. #10
    $6 lays 2.83 to 1. (26% equity to breakeven)

    if he has naked FD, he has 8 outs, that's 16%
    if he has QJ, he has 8 outs, that's 16%
    if he has QJ with FD he has 14 outs, 28%

    I see what you mean for sure but I assumed $6 was enough to barely price out the combo draw, I was wrong. lol

    $8 lays 2.37 to 1 (29% equity to breakeven)

    much better, still barely a bad call with a combo draw.

    $9 lays 2.22 to 1 (31% equity to breakeven)

    better still. so $8-9 range would of been much better.
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