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Originally Posted by OngBonga
I wouldn't be betting flop for balance or to strengthen flop ranges etc. This is 5nl, noone gives a fuck about that. I'd be betting because people are terrible and will peel light, or maybe even spazz out thinking we fold Ax. If we have better reads and we know he's gonna stab when we check, then I like flop check but yeah what griff said, I'd wait until river before spunking over my monitor.
2 things:
1) Our points aren't at all mutually exclusive. It's a much preferable GTO strategy to bet here, and if anything, at these stakes (even against unknowns), you should skew your range even more heavily toward value, making this a very obvious bet. My point was that full sentence; your point was, "Screw the first half of the sentence, let's apply the second half of the sentence."
2) I disagree that "noone gives a fuck about that" here or at any stakes. Sure, everyone's idiots, no one knows how to properly exploit the patterns they recognize, no one likes to fold, no one knows how to value bet, etc, but most opponents do try to pick up patterns on how you play and do try to exploit it. Most of all single-tabling fish, tilt-monkey wannabe regs, beginners who WAY overcompensate for the lessons learned in their first 100 hands, etc.
If you want to sustain a wide, profitable range of hands to play in a lot of situations (and if you're 3b'ing unknowns with 44 OOP, then your range is gonna be a bit wide), then you have to have the goods enough of the time when you put money in to ever win big. Otherwise, if you find yourself betting a whole lot in any given situation while rarely having a hand that can play for big pots, then you're gonna find that the money only is getting in when you're behind, and the pots stay small when you're ahead. If it's somehow therapeutic for you to never give your opponents credit, then you don't have to call this exploitation: you can call it accidental exploitation, you can call it exploiting yourself, whatever, it's still the same thing.
The point is, players at this level make adjustments. In fact, a lot of them are paying a helluva lot more attention to the table than you are. To some extent, we can make some probable guesses at what the general nature of those adjustments will be and exploit them even harder: fish will keep playing wide ranges preflop, calling stations will continue to call wide, passive players won't become aggro enough that you really need to defend yourself much, etc. But to a large extent, it's helpful to play in a way that they're going to lose money regardless of what adjustments they make (within certain parameters).
It might just be an approach thing. It might be easier to learn some high-level generalizations about the stake and use a few simple heuristics to beat the stake. I agree that the stakes are bad enough that that will work. Putting consideration into how you play your range overall will make you money too, and the lessons you learn from playing that way can apply at all stakes and games.
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