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  1. #1

    Default 5$ zone ?

    hero is MP with opens 0.17, CO calls, SB calls.

    pot is 0.56 ( on screen pot is 0.51)

    flop comes

    SB donks for 0.58, hero calls, CO folds

    pot is 1.72

    Turn drops

    SB bets 0.99, hero calls

    river come

    SB tanks...checks, hero checks

    SB shows
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    i moved this from the 10nl zone thread since it looks like a 5nl hand and theres no commentary /explanation for it . I'm guessing you are trying to show what they call pre and pot pot with.


    in this hand why not raise the turn and charge his flush draws and straight draws to continue
    Last edited by Keith; 12-10-2014 at 12:02 PM.
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    Without any stats it's hard to judge if there's any reason for you just to call all the way. I would have raised him on the Flop to get infos on where I am in the hand
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    I personally do not agree with the raise for info thingy.
    Villain is potting flop and we have an opponent left to act. Call flop is perfectly fine. We have position.
    Turn isn't perfect but it's a reasonably good card for us, notice that he slowed down with bet size showing that he didn't improve, so we can assume we are still ahead, call is fine, let him go nuts on river.
    When he checks river you KNOW you have the better hand like 80% of the time, that is why you are missing value by not making a small 1/3 pot value bet, which will be called by exactly his type of hand 77 88 99 TT + QJ QT etc.
    This is a leak for most micro players, being passive on river with a good hand due to bad (0) hand reading and not putting villains on ranges.
    Show him that not him, but you were in control of the hand all along
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by kingmotan View Post
    I personally do not agree with the raise for info thingy.
    Villain is potting flop and we have an opponent left to act. Call flop is perfectly fine. We have position.
    Turn isn't perfect but it's a reasonably good card for us, notice that he slowed down with bet size showing that he didn't improve, so we can assume we are still ahead, call is fine, let him go nuts on river.
    When he checks river you KNOW you have the better hand like 80% of the time, that is why you are missing value by not making a small 1/3 pot value bet, which will be called by exactly his type of hand 77 88 99 TT + QJ QT etc.
    This is a leak for most micro players, being passive on river with a good hand due to bad (0) hand reading and not putting villains on ranges.
    Show him that not him, but you were in control of the hand all along
    You are right kingmotan. But some stats would still have been nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by PokerKing View Post
    You are right kingmotan. But some stats would still have been nice
    Oh stats always help, for sure, but you would have needed a lot of hands on this guy in order to have some numbers for donk flop, 2barrel, 3barrel , c/c c/f and c/r river .
    Op probably doesn't have a hud and that's perfectly fine when playing 1-6 tables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingmotan View Post
    Oh stats always help, for sure, but you would have needed a lot of hands on this guy in order to have some numbers for donk flop, 2barrel, 3barrel , c/c c/f and c/r river .
    Op probably doesn't have a hud and that's perfectly fine when playing 1-6 tables.

    yep, no hud, no stats, and also no names on site. only numbers, so its basically you against the player "pool".
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    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    yep, no hud, no stats, and also no names on site. only numbers, so its basically you against the player "pool".
    there's likely one read available, not concrete or solid but it's something to go on as a tool to break it into playing against two pools, each with different characteristics.
    i'll give you a clue, it related to the answer to "is there an auto-topup to 100bb facility on this site?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by daven View Post
    there's likely one read available, not concrete or solid but it's something to go on as a tool to break it into playing against two pools, each with different characteristics.
    i'll give you a clue, it related to the answer to "is there an auto-topup to 100bb facility on this site?"
    Ummmm..yes there are definitly specific pool reads, but no theres no auto top up. Im quite confused by that question. Im so terrible with clues..lol
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    I think he's saying, or at least it's absolutely true in my experience on Bovada ring games, that stack size is a direct correlation to player skill.

    Players with less than 100BB's in their starting stack are generally not strong players. Players with less than 50BB are usually total fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I think he's saying, or at least it's absolutely true in my experience on Bovada ring games, that stack size is a direct correlation to player skill.

    Players with less than 100BB's in their starting stack are generally not strong players. Players with less than 50BB are usually total fish.

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    Ty sir.

    Btw we had 150BBs effective in this hand just so you guys know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acg123 View Post
    Ty sir.

    Btw we had 150BBs effective in this hand just so you guys know.
    You're welcome.

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    Correctamundo. 100bbs+ i expect villians to be comeptent and capable of making a play vs a percieved range. Thai said, i think we missed out on discussing my perceived range and what types of hands our villian is expecting us to raise/call/fold with. Ive noticed that in my past few HHs ive posted that the main focus is heros exact two cards. Since this is a readless game then i expect competent villians to be playing a range vs. Making moves asthe only reads they have those created during the hand.
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    do you think hero's and villains range alters 150 bbs deep compared to 100 bb deep.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    do you think hero's and villains range alters 150 bbs deep compared to 100 bb deep.?
    Of course. I dont think it is an insane amount, but i expect to be called/raised a little lighter.
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    I like how you played the hand, and I think it's fine.

    If you think villain is not the tricky type, then I can see value to a small river bet (half pot), since FD bricked.
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