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 Originally Posted by ImSavy
People really only 3bet 4% at 25nl zoom? I find that quite hard to believe.
Well yeah, I should actually have looked at my DB before posting that. It's quite a small sample, but I do have 40,000 hands of zoom now, and average 3bet for players I have at least 100 hands on is 7%, so it looks like I mis-estimated off the top of my head.
I don't actually see a way in HEM to filter this to 3bets IP, but I think your point that my off-the-top-of-my-head estimate was too tight still stands.
Still, your point seems to be at odds with what Griffey says about "I really don't think there is an overwhelming need to be 4b bluffing unknowns. Sure, once you have reads that he's 3betting 8% and 13% on the BTN or something, I don't hate it. But to claim villain is an unknown and hasn't even 3b yet, I don't think it's necessary"
If my database is right and an unknown has about a 7% 3bet which we'll assume will often be a little wider on the button, then there is an argument for 4bet bluffing unknowns.
Wheras I think more likely, it's spew, and if in doubt I should probably be giving unknowns who 3bet more credit for a legit hand.
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