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![Quote](images/misc/quote_icon.png) Originally Posted by Mcash2
I would agree Slick. The juicy GT tourneys only real thing keeping me around, and I'm not even a tournament player. Very small sample size, so maybe I am just getting lucky on ACR.
2NL comparison at those sites with over 20K hands each.
BOL: 30706 hands / 12.10 BB/100 / VPIP 27 / PFR 9 / AGG 39 / AF 3.2 / CB 81.3
ACR: 23363 hands / -11.39 BB/100 / VPIP 18 / PFR 9 / AGG 45 / AF 4.9 / CB 81.3
A lot of strategy tweaks on both sites, but flop CB virtually the same across sites. (to continue) You will notice BB/100 is almost exact opposite across sites. Don't study this too much Slick. At this point rakeback and bonus isn't even keeping me afloat. Will stick it out for awhile though, for study sake, and knowing I will learn more here vs Regs.
Look, Savvy certainly means well and I definitely don't mind his cynical nature. I'm the same way, myself. I think he's a little too negative for his own (or other's) benefit sometimes but all in all, he's been around for a while and he's a good poster. It's just that unless you play on WPN, or at the very least know true grinders on there, you simply would make the assumption that he did: American sites are American sites. All are created equal. Your stats posted (thank you) show that this is anything but the case and you're actually not doing too bad. I know that *most* Americans struggle to not simply bleed money today. Breaking even in cash games is an accomplishment for us, regardless of stakes. Don't miss the point of 2NL and 5NL: We're learning against better players for a discount price. We're not going to build a huge bankroll this way and we're not going to earn a living. What we are going to do is put ourselves in a position to do so on other sites, in live poker, and ultimately at 25NL+ on WPN by way of earning a spot on The Beast leaderboard. One hit there and we're rolled for 100NL+. That's the approach winning cash players from the US are taking today and there's nothing quick or easy about it. The reality is that things are actually on the upswing for us. Just a few years ago we had even fewer options when playing online and it was extremely difficult to find games half of the time. Now, you can easily play 24/7 as traffic has improved tremendously on WPN and BOL. Just don't expect the two sites to be even remotely comparable. The guys on WPN are mostly semi pro and pro. It's totally unfriendly to recreational players. They just get blown off the site. BOL is filled with gamblers, blackjack players, and poker players who are on level 1 thinking. It's two totally different worlds.
I'm sure a lot of people who, years ago, played mid/high stakes look at some of these micros threads and wonder: Is it really necessary for them to work that hard just to beat 2NL? On WPN, yes. Yes, it is. If you check out PokerStrategy.com, you'll see tons and tons of players studying 2NL through 25NL all day long. Extremely in depth analysis. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on your outlook) it really does require a ton of skill and hard work to break into the game at all today as a US player. And we're not the only ones who have it difficult today, either. Tons of ROW (rest of world) players are also struggling far more than 5+ years ago. It's a different, evolving, more challenging and competitive game currently.
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