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    Default 2NL AsKd How's My Line

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    MP ($1.73)
    CO ($2)
    Hero (Button) ($2.31)
    SB ($1.27)
    BB ($3.75)
    UTG ($3.76)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
    UTG raises $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.11

    Flop: ($0.33) 6, 5, 2 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.16, UTG calls $0.16

    Villian stats - 36/25/38/2.4 for 56 hands.
    Last edited by Mcash2; 06-18-2017 at 05:22 PM.
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    I think pre is marginal, but okay as a default strategy. Against this guy, it's likely a little bit better than marginal.

    Are you 5 bet jamming against a 4bet?

    What are you checking back flop with here and why?
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    This villain has no sense of positional ranges. If he does, you'd have a note like... "super wide / always? folds UTG"

    Your AK is way ahead of his opening range UTG, so 3-bet is probably best. Unless Villain will fold really wide to this 3-bet, you probably want AKo in your 3-betting range.

    The flop whiffs your holding, but Villain's range is (prob) capped since no 4-bet PRE, and this board whiffs any sensible range other than BTN steal.
    Against most UTG raises, this flop changes nothing. Whoever was ahead PRE is still ahead, I mean.
    Unfortunately, this is a sticky fish and this flop will connect with his range.
    Still, it's not unreasonable to assume that Villain's capped range means you have 5 or 6 clean outs, so there's probably mentionable equity in your hand.

    So far, so good.


    What is Villain's range after he x/c OTF?
    Note that he had to pass through 3 sieves to get to that point.
    1) range to open UTG
    2) range to call the 3-bet UTG
    3) range to check OTF

    so whatever his range is to x/c the flop has to be a subset of 3) which is a subset of 2) which is a subset of 1)
    If they would have already folded it at a previous decision point, then they cannot have it now.

    See why being in position is so much stronger than being OOP? You get 4 pieces of info while only giving out 2. Economics!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    What is Villain's range after he x/c OTF?
    Note that he had to pass through 3 sieves to get to that point.
    1) range to open UTG
    2) range to call the 3-bet UTG
    3) range to check OTF

    so whatever his range is to x/c the flop has to be a subset of 3) which is a subset of 2) which is a subset of 1)
    If they would have already folded it at a previous decision point, then they cannot have it now.

    See why being in position is so much stronger than being OOP? You get 4 pieces of info while only giving out 2. Economics!
    Not enough hands to totally dial in on stats, but with 50+ I think I can guess at a roundabout range for UTG OR. (open raises)

    {AA-22, broadway, A+, Ks+, 54s+} is my standard 30+ VPIP default PF.

    Anyway for him to min-raise and then call a 3bet I would cap it and say he still likely holds onto {QQ-22, AQ+, KQ+, 87s+} I think at 35%+, I doubt frisky player is dropping anything stronger than KQo+. 3bet wouldn't get him to fold any pairs before the flop IMO. I think he may throw away some bottom SC's but has a need to see flop with mid up till flop.

    x/c OTF - {QQ, JJ, 66, 55, 44, 33, 22, AQ+, KQ+, 87s, 87d+} QQ, JJ, could be keeping pot cheap in case I have AA, KK, and letting me bet for them if they are way ahead, yet have to worry about overcard on later streets and likely show true colors soon. I removed TT, 99,88,77, because they had to see if their overpair is good I think, and currently they have no clue where they are in the hand. 66, 55, 22, are slow-rolling sets and letting me bet my way into obilvion, while board is only semi-wet. 44, 33, hoping for gut shot and set mining combo. AQ+, KQ, can't easily drop a good stating hand on flop if they are overs to the board. I left them because a loose player is more apt to hold out, even to my aggression, than a tight player, with his weaker range liking the action. Any AQd+, KQd isn't going anywhere, although more likely would have bet their draw and overs, but some people like to be ahead before investing too much, and his PF min-raise may be an indicator that he is just that type of player. 87s OESD could have played it that way, although conservatively. I think we lose QJs-T9s, as they no longer hold much value. Although 98s may have played the weak gutshot that way or even 98h for a little spice. I kept 87d in, although I feel this player type would want to play OESFD harder with a big raise. 98d+ isn't dropping any hands with FD's.

    These are my thoughts. I'm starting to enjoy breaking these down. Thanks guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post
    What are you checking back flop with here and why?
    I don't understand Question, I bet flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcash2 View Post
    I don't understand Question, I bet flop.
    He's going to help you, just answer his question.
    (What's your range to check back the flop, and why do you check back those hands? The reasons will vary for the top and bottom of that range.)

    It'll be a cool lesson, I bet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    He's going to help you, just answer his question.
    (What's your range to check back the flop, and why do you check back those hands? The reasons will vary for the top and bottom of that range.)

    It'll be a cool lesson, I bet!
    Relax Mojo, said I didn't understand question, not that I wouldn't answer it.
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    Default and the rest of the story

    OK. rest of hand.

    EDIT: V 36/25/38/2.4

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    MP ($1.73)
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    Hero (Button) ($2.31)
    SB ($1.27)
    BB ($3.75)
    UTG ($3.76)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
    UTG raises $0.04, 2 folds, Hero raises $0.15, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.11

    Flop: ($0.33) 6, 5, 2 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.16, UTG calls $0.16

    Turn: ($0.65) 3 (2 players)
    UTG checks, Hero checks

    River: ($0.65) 6 (2 players)
    UTG bets $3.45 (All-In), Hero folds

    Total pot: $0.65 | Rake: $0.03

    Results below:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcash2 View Post
    Relax Mojo, said I didn't understand question, not that I wouldn't answer it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bean Counter View Post

    What are you checking back flop with here and why?
    *Aggravation waning*

    Lost half-done post; went to Bermuda Triangle.

    My standard PF open raise range from button - {AA-22, broadway, A2+, K9+, Q8s+, J7s+, T6s, 54s+ } Adjusted greatly table to table based on all 3 to my left's stats, especially fold to steal stat.

    I would normally only call a raise from UTG here with {AA-22, AK, and 98s+ 50% of the time} But this is a min-raise. I would view this baby raise as weak most of the time, with the occasionally semi-slow-played rockets. So I likely added these hands back into my range: {AQ, KQ }

    I normally would have 3bet against UTG raise with just KK+, AKs and the rare bluff. I held AsKd, to refresh. But with min-raise diminishing the actual UTG raise strength, in my mind, I adjusted my 3bet range to include the AKo which I held. I also would have likely added {QQ, JJ, AQ }

    So that takes us to the flop and your question. My adjusted range is very tight: {AA-JJ, AQ+ }

    Flop: ( 6d,5d, 2h) I'm trying not to do any postflop analysis and just give you my raw thoughts at that monent. Besides capping and min-raising thoughts, him not leading into the aggressor is pretty standard, and doesn't further define his range for me. Again his stats were: 6/25/38/2.4 for 56 hands.

    To check back, after 3bet would have looked very strong and fishy, and just as likely to kill all action as to bet in my mind. So I would need a monster to check that spot, plus with straight and flush draw on board, I would easily find reason to play it fast. And with his looseness, I would see monsters, and play it fast for protection as much for value, thinking he would call my price often.

    So to answer: Maybe {AKd, AQd } although I am probably betting these hands also majority of the time.

    There you have it in a nutshell.

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