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2nl AA in CO vs nitish flat on BU

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  1. #1

    Default 2nl AA in CO vs nitish flat on BU

    WPN, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
    BB: $1.56 (78 bb)
    MP: $2.56 (128 bb)
    Hero (CO): $4.87 (243.5 bb)
    BTN: $3.04 (152 bb)

    villain: 14/12/8 foldTcb=50%, . after 281 hands, he's cold calling 17% from BU
    pre flat range: 77-22,AJs-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QJo (what do you think?

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
    MP folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.15) J T 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.35) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, BTN raises to $0.66, Hero calls $0.44

    River: ($1.67) 3 (2 players)
    Hero??????

    flop: so think he could b flatting with somehing like this:77,KQs,98s,87s,76s,AdJd,AcJc,KdJd,KhJh,KcJc,Q dJd,QhJh,QcJc,AdTd,AcTc,KdTd,KsTs,KcTc,QdTd,QsTs,Q cTc,JdTd,JcTc,Ad9d,Ac9c,Td9d,Ts9s,Tc9c,Ad8d,Ac8c,A d7d,Ac7c,Ad6d,Ac6c,Ad5d,Ad4d,Ac4c,Ad3d,Ac3c,Ad2d,A c2c,KQo,AdQh,AdQs,AdQc,AcQd,AcQh,AcQs,AdJh,AdJc,Ac Jd,AcJh,AdTs,AdTc,AcTd,AcTs,KdJh,KdJc,KhJd,KhJc,Ks Jd,KsJh,KsJc,KcJd,KcJh,KdTs,KdTc,KhTd,KhTs,KhTc,Ks Td,KsTc,KcTd,KcTs,QdJh,QdJc,QhJd,QhJc,QsJd,QsJh,Qs Jc,QcJd,QcJh

    turn: ok a 6c, and he raises me : KQs,98s,87s,KQo,AdQh,AdQs,AdQc,AcQd,AcQh,AcQs,AdJh ,AdJc,AcJd,AcJh,KdJh,KdJc,KhJd,KhJc,KsJd,KsJh,KsJc ,KcJd,KcJh,QdJh,QdJc,QhJd,QhJc,QsJd,QsJh,QsJc,QcJd ,QcJh,AdJd,AcJc,KdJd,KhJh,KcJc,QdJd,QhJh,QcJc,AcTc ,KcTc,QcTc,JcTc,Ac9c,Tc9c,Ac8c,Ac7c,6d6h,6d6s,6h6s ,5d5h,5d5s,5h5s,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ac2c, which we get raised by, we are 80% vs here

    river 3s are we up against a busted draw , a delayed set, or trip 6's

    check river? or b/f?
    "We're all just a million little gods causing rainstorms, turning every good thing to rust...."AF
  2. #2
    Turn is always a fold. Bet bigger every street.
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    Turn is always a fold. Bet bigger every street.
    wow , really i thought he had enough draws for a def call
    "We're all just a million little gods causing rainstorms, turning every good thing to rust...."AF
  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by WeldPhaser View Post
    WPN, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $2.11 (105.5 bb)
    BB: $1.56 (78 bb)
    MP: $2.56 (128 bb)
    Hero (CO): $4.87 (243.5 bb)
    BTN: $3.04 (152 bb)

    villain: 14/12/8 foldTcb=50%, . after 281 hands, he's cold calling 17% from BU
    pre flat range: 77-22,AJs-A2s,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,98s,87s,76s,AQo-ATo,KTo+,QJo (what do you think?

    Preflop: Hero is CO with A A
    MP folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.15) J T 5 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

    Turn: ($0.35) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets $0.22, BTN raises to $0.66, Hero calls $0.44

    River: ($1.67) 3 (2 players)
    Hero??????

    flop: so think he could b flatting with somehing like this:77,KQs,98s,87s,76s,AdJd,AcJc,KdJd,KhJh,KcJc,Q dJd,QhJh,QcJc,AdTd,AcTc,KdTd,KsTs,KcTc,QdTd,QsTs,Q cTc,JdTd,JcTc,Ad9d,Ac9c,Td9d,Ts9s,Tc9c,Ad8d,Ac8c,A d7d,Ac7c,Ad6d,Ac6c,Ad5d,Ad4d,Ac4c,Ad3d,Ac3c,Ad2d,A c2c,KQo,AdQh,AdQs,AdQc,AcQd,AcQh,AcQs,AdJh,AdJc,Ac Jd,AcJh,AdTs,AdTc,AcTd,AcTs,KdJh,KdJc,KhJd,KhJc,Ks Jd,KsJh,KsJc,KcJd,KcJh,KdTs,KdTc,KhTd,KhTs,KhTc,Ks Td,KsTc,KcTd,KcTs,QdJh,QdJc,QhJd,QhJc,QsJd,QsJh,Qs Jc,QcJd,QcJh

    turn: ok a 6c, and he raises me : KQs,98s,87s,KQo,AdQh,AdQs,AdQc,AcQd,AcQh,AcQs,AdJh ,AdJc,AcJd,AcJh,KdJh,KdJc,KhJd,KhJc,KsJd,KsJh,KsJc ,KcJd,KcJh,QdJh,QdJc,QhJd,QhJc,QsJd,QsJh,QsJc,QcJd ,QcJh,AdJd,AcJc,KdJd,KhJh,KcJc,QdJd,QhJh,QcJc,AcTc ,KcTc,QcTc,JcTc,Ac9c,Tc9c,Ac8c,Ac7c,6d6h,6d6s,6h6s ,5d5h,5d5s,5h5s,Ac4c,Ac3c,Ac2c, which we get raised by, we are 80% vs here

    river 3s are we up against a busted draw , a delayed set, or trip 6's

    check river? or b/f?
    You can't be new, you've been on this forum for 4 years, but when typing out hand ranges, you don't need to type each individual hand. Ac2c, Ac3c, Ac4c, you can just type A2c-A4c. It communicates the same hand range, but with significantly less typing.

    I recommend against typing out each individual combo of hands.

    I would be impressed however, if you listed how many hand combo's you beat, vs how many he beats you with.

    That raise on the turn was ugly. I hate being in those spots, I'm going to fold there. That said I hate folding AA. Lets just narrow it down to the range you beat. Rarely are turn raises bluffs. You beat 1 pair hands. The overpairs, I think it's safe to assume he'd 3bet Pre. So KK, QQ are not in his range. People sometimes flat with JJ, and 1010, not often, but it does happen. And he would have flatted with 55. He would have flatted with J10.

    The hands you're targeting are one pair hands, and perhaps charging draws, and his turn raise communicates that he wants to play for stacks, IN A SINGLE RAISED POT?

    I mean just ask yourself, in all your poker experience, how often are people wanting to play for stacks with a pair less than your aces in a single raised pot?

    When you see the flop, I like to ask myself, what hand types am I targeting. In your case, I'm targeting 1 pair hands while fully aware that I'm losing to everything better than 1 pair. However say the turn was a 5 and the board paired giving you an unbeatable 2 pair, I'd feel a bit safer with the AA at that point in the hand.

    This line suggests to me a lot of strength, and AA is a fold. An unfortunate fold.

    Not to mention both of you are hella deep, so yes, turn is a fold, I don't mind firing the 2nd barrel, but that's a raise you shouldn't call given how deep you are. Even if he missed his draw, he still has a shit ton of leverage with how much is left in his stack to get you to fold the river. Against other deep stacks, you want to try to play for big pots with flopped 2 pair or better, sets, straights, flushes, combo draws.

    If his stack was much shorter though, you can go ahead and call this raise, assuming it was a shove for his whole stack. AA is pretty good for busting the shorter stacks.

    River is clearly a check fold, unless he just so happen to bet really small and you had pot odds to call. Such is rarely the case in my experience though.
    Last edited by JimmyS1985; 02-01-2017 at 01:51 AM.
  5. #5

    Default yeah

    OK so yeah i do apologize for all the hand combo s. I just pasted them from equilab.

    Yeah i can see where this becomes a fold. And of course we all hate folding AA. So in play i called.
    "We're all just a million little gods causing rainstorms, turning every good thing to rust...."AF
  6. #6
    Versus a nit deep OOP I don't think folding turn is bad. I wouldn't fault a turn peel either, but river is prob c/f.
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  7. #7
    I think more often than not, when we're raised on the turn after being flatted on the flop, we're likely facing better than top pair. I'm folding turn.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong

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