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  1. #1

    Default 10nl 2nd pair w/blockers

    $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Holdem
    6 Players

    Stacks:
    Hero (UTG) ($11.54) 115bb
    UTG+1 ($13.44) 134bb
    CO ($11.48) 115bb
    BTN ($4.66) 47bb
    SB ($12.60) 126bb
    BB ($6.96) 70bb

    Pre-Flop: ($0.15, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, 2 folds

    Flop: ($0.75, 2 players)
    Hero bets $0.40, BTN calls $0.40

    Turn: ($1.55, 2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

    River: ($2.15, 2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $1, $1 to Hero ($10.54)?

    villain is unknown

    Not folding river for that price when we block the most likely hands that beat us and his turn bet says he has a draw a lot of the time of which some get there and he isn't really getting any value for. Is this correct? I'm expecting AJ to bet bigger on the turn if it decides to bet and check the river tbh.

    Not really sure about the turn play at all either.
  2. #2
    I would call as villain has unknown range and may have been hoping to make straight or flush draw. And worth £1 for information for future hands.

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    I don't think you have any option other than to call on the turn for that bet size.

    C/f river imo, not even close either.
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    Wouldn't we expect to see our opponent show up with a lot of Ax here? His stack size indicates fishiness, and a lot of these types of players play all their aces in any position.. And like JT, QJ, QT of clubs. If villain is unknown should we be putting a lot of busted draws in his range without more information on how he plays?
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by Mury View Post
    Wouldn't we expect to see our opponent show up with a lot of Ax here? His stack size indicates fishiness, and a lot of these types of players play all their aces in any position.. And like JT, QJ, QT of clubs. If villain is unknown should we be putting a lot of busted draws in his range without more information on how he plays?
    Flop is arguably a x/c rather than a bet but betting isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination.

    Turn is never a fold but I don't really know if we should be raising. I tend to default into passiveness when I'm a bit lost and I can't see calling being bad.

    I also expect villain to not bet weak Ax on the river when he has the chance to check it back. I also expect his range to be reasonably weak from his turn bet.

    River I need to be good like 25% of the time and I block quite a few hands that beat me, although it's arguable he doesn't play any of them this way. There are also lots of missed draws and I'd expect him to be betting bigger w/ any bdfds that got there.
  6. #6
    think i'd be happier bet folding 1$ on river as we can get Ax to fold if he thought we were chasing a flush and now it looks like we got there. if we get raised we are beat and fold
  7. #7
    How do we block the most likely hands that beat us?

    I agree our particular hand blocks AQ. But it also blocks QT/QJ/Qxdd.

    He can have a lot of Ax here. I'm probably c/f river pretty often unless I get a feel from turn/river timing/sizing that I'm good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    think i'd be happier bet folding 1$ on river as we can get Ax to fold if he thought we were chasing a flush and now it looks like we got there. if we get raised we are beat and fold
    If we thought he had Ax, we should probably just be folding the turn (though the pot odds he gives us does make it close).
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    villain is unknown

    Not folding river for that price when we block the most likely hands that beat us and his turn bet says he has a draw a lot of the time of which some get there and he isn't really getting any value for. Is this correct? I'm expecting AJ to bet bigger on the turn if it decides to bet and check the river tbh.

    Not really sure about the turn play at all either.
    You're making a dangerous assumption here that this guy thinks like you. There's a high chance this guy is a fish given he's unknown and less than full-stacked and won't even be thinking about any of these things like bet sizing and pot controlling a hand like tp.

    Flop and turn is fine imo. River is a c/f as I'd expect a likely fish to check back busted draws and worse Kx and you won't get him to fold anything by turning your hand into a bluff on the river by chk/jamming.
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    I just don't believe he'd bet that size as a general rule that's all. Made me think that he had a weak hand and I was completely correct.
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    Cant see any merit in c/c river.
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    I'm not folding river at this size after he bets turn at that size. Just call turn and river and make notes.
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