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    Default 1 More hand (2nl)

    The question here is how often is our opponent getting to the river with non jx type hands. Not sure how spewy we are being here. Perhaps checking flop is better?

    Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    CO: 186.5 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 10.39, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 78)
    BTN: 154.5 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
    Hero (SB): 107.5 BB
    BB: 140 BB (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 16.95, 3Bet Preflop: 9.52, Hands: 60)
    UTG: 98.5 BB (VPIP: 18.30, PFR: 15.69, 3Bet Preflop: 4.39, Hands: 319)
    MP: 90 BB (VPIP: 16.39, PFR: 9.84, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 62)

    Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

    Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 8

    fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, BTN calls 6.5 BB

    Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) J J 9
    Hero bets 9 BB, BTN calls 9 BB

    Turn: (37 BB, 2 players) 6
    Hero bets 22 BB, BTN calls 22 BB

    River: (81 BB, 2 players) Q
    Hero bets 67.5 BB and is all-in, fold,
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    This is risky. If villain is chasing two streets with QT here when we can have KK, he's unaware of the dangers of chasing such a hand and we should not assume he then goes on to fold top pair. He's obviously not folding a jack. So what can he have that folds? Possibly missed pocket pairs, but does he call turn with these? Maybe, because AK is such a big part of our range. We need better reads here I think, we're going to run into Jx/99/QT too often.
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    Also he can have 66, that's three more combos that he isn't folding.

    We really need to know he doesn't have QT, and also that he can call two streets with his pairs while giving up river when the money goes in. Then we're probably the right side of marginal.
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    This is the mother of horrific plays You have posted
    Dont get me wrong, this a fabulous play, but... with the right image, reads and vs the right villain. You have none of this. And Most important, You have no ideea why this is such a great play and because of that, You should not do IT
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    What's our range pre and our 3 barrel range post? Pretty sure a competent villain can profitably call down anything that beats ace high (but likely won't).
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    The question to answer is why did you choose to play the hand this way? I think if you listed your reasons some of the assumptions you've made will turn out to be incorrect and hence this isn't a good play.
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    Why does a poker player bet ?
    1. Because he can make better hands fold( this is available for any type of bet, preflop opening,3/4/5/etc bet, postflop betting,raising,3betting,shoving)
    2. Because he will get called by worse hands( just like number 1)
    3. Because he can outplay his oponent postflop( you need skill, experience and reads on your oponent)
    4. Because of balance ( this is an advanced concept, we do it because we dont get payed on pur premium hands pre/post, but just like bluffing ,the % should be big enough to make oponent pay your nuts ,but not big enough to make his call profitabile for him)

    For starters, at 2nl/5nl/even 10nl stick to 1 and 2.
    3 and 4 depend a lot on villain and your knowledge,skills etc. They also vary from villain to villain, your ajudsments need to be particular for every villain.

    At the end, IT all sums up by range vs range, you can beat my hand,but you will be crushed by my range.
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    Why 3b A8s in SB v BTN?
    I think is -EV: You still have BB to act which seems to like 3betting,giving positions he could consider a light 4bet. You know nothing about BTN , what he opens,he folds,what he calls, what he 4bets. By 3betting A8s You can make him fold all suited combos that could play your nut flush and that also hapends to BB. When you hit your A, slim % you get action from worse and so Most times you're losing a lot of money post.
    Now on this board, you have no ideea what his pre flatting range is, but on JJ9, Most players dont fold pairs, 9x, AQ/AT, never Jx, QT/8T, if they call them, they could also float flop and raise your turn/bet turn, due to the paired J,because SB has a light 3b pre and a light flop cbet post, and they are not wrong at all in your case. So as You can see you're flop FE is very low and your turn A might not be good. Because all of this by a standard You are supposed to fire 2nd barrel If You cbet flop. You 2nd barrel will get bluffed a lot, You will get raised by Jx or better and there plenty of those hands will get called again for the same lightness reason ( bad players because they cant fold, nevwr bluff them,value bet them, good players because they have reasons to call, again, not wrong in your case). Until this point, Hope You can see why your play is bad
    River bet, well that's the worse. It's gold as a balance, but balancing vs 2nl players ,good or bad, it's pointless, just losing money. When You bet this river, like i said , You will beat some hands, but you'll get crushed by his calling range. Do You play your AA/KK the same? How about Jx/ QQ? My opinion is that by checking river and letting him try to bluff, we have a higher EV then betting even w/ the nuts
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    I like the 3bet pre if the BB is squeeze happy. You can take the pot down now or play in a bigger pot with a hand capable of flopping big.

    I'd c/f the flop though. You have one of the worst hands in your range and this flop hits his pretty hard.

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