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[5NL] QTo...Top two pair facing c/r on turn.

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    Default [5NL] QTo...Top two pair facing c/r on turn.

    UTG - 22/17/0 (3bet) over 97 hands. Fold to 3bet 50%, 3/6. Cbet 70%. Villain is not positionally aware, only notes I had was he had called a 3bet, OOP, with 55. Hadn't seen him do anything out of line so far.

    CO - Not much info on villain, looks fishy at 78/0/0 over 9 hands.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    UTG: $12.20
    MP: $5.00
    CO: $2.00
    Hero (BTN): $5.81
    SB: $5.15
    BB: $6.86

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05, CO posts DB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.12) Hero has Q T

    UTG raises to $0.15, fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.15, fold, fold

    Flop: ($0.52, 3 players) T 5 Q
    UTG bets $0.35, fold, Hero calls $0.35

    Turn: ($1.22, 2 players) 7
    UTG checks, Hero bets $0.85, UTG raises to $3.00, Hero ???

    OK, I think I have probably played this hand about as badly as possible.

    Should I have squeezed pre to try and isolate the fish? UTG doesn't seem positionally aware so I don't think he has a strong range here.

    I also think I should have raised the flop. Even though I don't really have much to worry about, other than a set and maybe J9/KJ. Is it a raise now that fish is out of the hand anyway?

    As played, what do I do here? He has cbet the flop and now decided to c/r the turn...not really sure what to make of it? I think he could have TT+, although I think TT/QQ needs to be discounted a little. Would he do this with KK/AA? Maybe 77/55? Is he overplaying an AQ/KQ type of hand?

    Thoughts?
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  2. #2
    Well, if PFR's not positionally aware, then no I suppose his range isn't THAT strong, but 17% of hands still includes a ton of shit that dominates your hand and nothing that's dominated. Having position on a readless fish with 40bbs doesn't seem worth it here. This is a great spot to iso the fish, except for the fact that we have Queen Fucking Ten offsuit. Villain has to be call/calling with JT and Q7 for him to have more dominated hands than hands that dominate us. We make up for that a bit because a lot of fish play very exploitably here (calling pre with a wide range and c/f'ing unimproved), but we have no idea how villain plays postflop.

    So fold pre.

    As played, I shove because we're only beaten by 8 combos, and this is exactly how we'd expect him to play the 20 combos of KJ/98s, and he might even play something like AK like this every once in a while.

    Board: Qc Td 7h 5s
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 61.851% 61.85% 00.00% 5334 0.00 { QTo }
    Hand 1: 38.149% 38.15% 00.00% 3290 0.00 { QQ, TT, 77, 55, AKs, 98s, KJo }
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    preflop is def a mistake. as played i'd ship turn in the belief he'll have enough combinations of KK+/AQ when taking this line to outweigh the 8 combinations of sets.

    edit: yeah or maybe some semi-bluffs as surviva mentioned, though i think at these stakes we're more likely to see KK or AA than 98s
    Last edited by rpm; 07-05-2013 at 08:46 PM.
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    I like a squeeze, but only if I haven't been playing too loose and can get credit. I can also fold or call depending on how confident I feel at the table.
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    If the original opener is completely positionally unaware (like an ATS of 20%), and we have an okay idea of when villain is likely to fold (to the 3b itself? to the cbet? etc.), then I could see this being a profitable squeeze due to the fact that the CO has a super wide range because he posted. It's not a great squeezing hands in terms of blockers (blocks folding range more than continuing range) and postflop playability, but hey, at least it hits top pair.

    I'm really not a fan of flatting, especially since the PFR seems to have a solid cbet rate. We're not gonna take the pot down uncontested too much, and the times that 1) PFR's hand misses (with a strongish range), 2) we hit, 3) we're ahead of the fish but he hits something strong enough to commit a lot of money to doesn't seem all that common. So in other words, we're not winning the pot a lot, and the pots we do win aren't often going to be too big.

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