[10NL] 77...Fire again or give it up?

Villain is unknown.

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: $4.43
BTN: $10.71
SB: $5.31
BB: $4.00
Hero (UTG): $10.00
MP: $7.19

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7 7

Hero raises to $0.35, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.35, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.85, 2 players) 5 K 5
Hero bets $0.65, BTN calls $0.65

Turn: ($2.15, 2 players) 4
Hero ???

Should I be firing again here? Villain doesn't always have a K or 5 and I think we can get folds some of the time from 88-TT as well.

Or do we give up and try to get to showdown now.

i'd C/F because this card does not hit our perceived (or actual) range at all so anything that called flop i expect to call turn. and i expect the range that calls the turn to be either in good shape vs us (ANY paired hand villain may call with) or liable to put us in tough spots OTR (any flush draws he may decide to bluff on bricked rivers).

plus this hand is not the best to turn into a multi-street bluff because it improves to a better hand so rarely. i'd rather hold any two diamonds or AQ if i was considering firing more than one street here

what's your general plan for the river if you decide to barrel turn here?

edit: and i don't like the assumption that an unknown folds second pair (88-TT). seems dubious. i wouldnt even really expect a reg to fold TT here

Originally Posted by rpm

i'd C/F because this card does not hit our range at all so anything that called flop i expect to call turn. and i expect the range that calls the turn to be either in good shape vs us (ANY paired hand villain may call with) or liable to put us in tough spots OTR (any flush draws he may decide to bluff on bricked rivers).

plus this hand is not the best to turn into a multi-street bluff because it improves to a better hand so rarely. i'd rather hold any two diamonds or AQ if i was considering firing more than one street here

what's your general plan for the river if you decide to barrel turn here?

That's why I was unsure about betting again on turn. I really don't want to triple barrel OOP w/ this hand on this board and obviously c/f river is awful after barreling twice. I agree that I would rather double barrel w/ hands that have much better equity than 77 also.

I just thought we might be able to get some better hands to fold, by repping the K which is easily in my range here, and some hands that have decent equity against us as well.

if the turn were a Q and we held 22 i could see merit in betting because a lot of better pocket pairs now have two overcards to their pair and would probably fold. in this hand the only better hands you might fold out are 88-JJ. that's 24 combinations and i certainly wouldnt expect that range to be folding 100%, maybe like 50% (obv making 12 combos worth of hands) and even that may be being generous. so we fold out somewhere between 6-12 better combos, get called by probably twice many better ones (say TT-JJ,KQ,KJs) and get called by a few more worse ones (ie flush draws) that probably have 15 outs to improve AND will get us to fold a better hand on the river some unknown % of the time as well

I think your flop sizing is too big given this flop texture. Given you're utg and used that sizing and he called, I would c/f turn.

If we made it 0.4 on the flop or something, and he could conceivably peeling a lot more mid pockets, I wouldn't hate a barrel some of the time, but even still the default should probably be c/f. Probably c/c some KQ/KJ/QQ sometimes on the turn.

I'd just c/f turn, generally small pockets are bad to be barreling with because you can't pick up any backdoor equity on the turn to barrel with, so a second barrel is mostly spew. With a read, it can be OK sometimes, but I just c/f turn here.

Interested in the comments here because this is often a double-barrel for me depending on timing tells. If villain snap calls flop then I'm done with it and if he pause/calls the flop then I'll barrel as long as he isn't playing a huge amount of tables and isn't a station. Even ignoring timing tells, I don't think a barrel is too bad given villain should fold out the middle pps we lose to and we get value from flush draws, which is more than half the combos that call the flop imo.

Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

Interested in the comments here because this is often a double-barrel for me depending on timing tells. If villain snap calls flop then I'm done with it and if he pause/calls the flop then I'll barrel as long as he isn't playing a huge amount of tables and isn't a station.

Well, it's certainly a texture where I'd sometimes spew-barrel this kind of hand.

Even ignoring timing tells, I don't think a barrel is too bad given villain should fold out the middle pps we lose to and we get value from flush draws, which is more than half the combos that call the flop imo.

Yeah, I think we can fold out some stuff we're losing to, but as for getting value from draws my concern is getting to showdown - I don't think you get to showdown enough vs. the draws that call the turn to make a barrel good for value here, I do think it's more marginal IP but OOP I think it's bad.

Originally Posted by The Bean Counter

Interested in the comments here because this is often a double-barrel for me depending on timing tells. If villain snap calls flop then I'm done with it and if he pause/calls the flop then I'll barrel as long as he isn't playing a huge amount of tables and isn't a station. Even ignoring timing tells, I don't think a barrel is too bad given villain should fold out the middle pps we lose to and we get value from flush draws, which is more than half the combos that call the flop imo.

Given that OP is utg, villain can have JJ/QQ/AK hands (which we wouldn't expect cold calling in other situations) and none of those hands are folding the turn.

Also I agree that FD's call flop and turn, but this is really only beneficial if villain will check bricked draws back when we check river. If he's calling FD's and will bet river when we check that's not the greatest situation. Is our plan to go bet/bet/ and c/c with most of our pocket pairs on this board? Being OOP sucks clearly.

This is where I 1/2 pot flop and 1/2 pot turn and see what happens. It keeps the pot manageable so the turn bet isn't so high. Only hand you worry about it Kx. Other PPs fold to turn bet or if they are silly they go to the river. If he raises any bet, you can just let it go.

BTW, I love the UTG low PP raise. It's going to get you action on AA,KK,etc later and also has your opponents worried about those bigger hands. Many people just call here and hope to spike a set, which I think long term is a bad strategy.

I'm firing around 1.25 on the turn. If he calls then unless a 7 or a diamond comes off to rep a flush on the river I'm folding.

I think that you should raise again, because if you go check you give him an opportunity to bluff you if he don't have nothing. Also there is one more card to be dealt, so you can make full on the river if there will be dealt 7 or 5.
So for my opinion it's better to make raise then to go check.

I might double barrel if a turn card other than the four of hearts came off...I think you've gotta c/f the turn

Why are people barreling this hand? Are you bluffing? Is it for value?

I can't tell in this thread which it is!

I'm totally against the 2nd barrel for several reasons mentioned above.
Also , what's with the 3.5x pre ?