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    Default [5NL] AKo, 3bet pot, line check

    BB - 19/17/5 (3bet) over 576 hands. Folds blinds 88% of time, fold to 3bet 82%, fold to cbet 47%. Breakeven player.

    CO - 15/14/0 (3bet) over 70 hands, folded to only 3bet so far.

    Had seen villain call 4bets on two separate occasions with KK and AA, OOP and IP respectively. He c/r AI with KK on paired flop, played his AA a little slower, calling flop and then calling turn shove.
    Villain had raised flop cbet with overpair or less and no draw and played his draws agg.

    PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    Hero (BTN): $8.00
    SB: $2.58
    BB: $12.69
    UTG: $3.03
    MP: $5.43
    CO: $5.89

    SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has K A

    fold, fold, CO raises to $0.15, Hero raises to $0.50, fold, BB calls $0.45, fold

    Flop: ($1.17, 2 players) Q 7 A
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.55, BB calls $0.55

    Turn: ($2.27, 2 players) 9
    BB checks, Hero bets $1.45, BB calls $1.45

    River: ($5.17, 2 players) 4
    BB checks, Hero checks

    OK, so villain just decides to call pre. I had seen him do this with 4bets holding KK/AA so didn't narrow his range too much.

    I thought I was ahead on flop and turn until he c/c again. Now I am not too sure where I stand, the absolute least I think villain could have is KK so I don't think I can bet the river for value. I am either only slightly ahead, splitting, or way behind.

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  2. #2
    I'd figure villain's range is mostly AK/QQ+; I'd generally discount KK+, but he seems to be capable of slow playing it. Betting flop is probably our best option for not making a mistake later in the hand (folding ourselves out of a chop or calling multiple streets against better), and it protects us against whatever weird hands he might randomly have here. Now that he didn't raise the flop, I imagine we're mostly chopping, or maybe he just REALLY likes slow playing.

    Regardless, I don't think the turn bet does anything here unless you expect him to have AxJs some percent or you expect him to fold AK. Obviously if the plan was to get him off a chop, then we should shove river, but I doubt that that was the plan and I doubt that's a good idea, especially against described player.
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    Why are we 3bing then???!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    Why are we 3bing then???!
    Call down and hope yr reads are bad! I prolly Chk river and prolly Chk trn too
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    Quote Originally Posted by kickass View Post
    Why are we 3bing then???!
    We 3b CO, and the BB cold-called.
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    I don't think the villain will call anything that's worse than our hand on the river, check behind seems fine.
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    bleh given how tight he is even vs single raises when he's in the blinds, i think i'd check back the turn planning to value bet river if checked to again. i just cant see too much worse calling us on the turn (and hiis range could well still be un-capped here), however if we take a B/C/B we might get looked up by his KQs,KK etc

    edit: as played yeah i'd check it back, nh
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    someone build a PF range for this guy so I can figure out how to proceed postflop, I'm too out of touch with 6m NL to know what a TAG is coldcalling here PF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73 View Post
    someone build a PF range for this guy so I can figure out how to proceed postflop, I'm too out of touch with 6m NL to know what a TAG is coldcalling here PF.
    I guess his range would be TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo, KQo. I don't see his range being much wider than that. I only include KK/AA because of read in OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surviva316 View Post
    We 3b CO, and the BB cold-called.
    Quote Originally Posted by bigspenda73 View Post
    I'm too out of touch with 6m NL to know what a TAG is coldcalling here PF.
    It's not possible for the blinds to "cold" anything PRE.

    The word cold means that there has been a bet and a raise before a decision, and the one making the decision has not put any chips into the pot on this street yet.

    So the blinds can not, by definition, make a cold call PRE. Sure, they could do so post-flop, but they have already put the blinds out there PRE.

    OTT:
    Check it back to keep pot smaller when flush draws complete. A bet would be fine if Hero held the A.

    OTR:
    As played check it back. If Hero checked OTT, then a ~1/4 - 1/3 PSB can get value from bluff catchers and 2nd pair-type hands.
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    Yes, I've seen this rant of yours in other threads. Unfortunately (for you; not really unfortunate in any other sense or context of the word, really) it's both commonplace and convenient to refer to a blinds' call of a 3b without yet doing anything in the hand or volunteering any money to the pot as a coldcall.

    A 3b used to be exclusively a limit term, and it referred specifically to the fact that the bet size was 3bbs and that the betting had reached 3 out of 4 before it is capped, so that using the term for some sort of 9bb raise with near-unlimited betting left behind was a bit of a misnomer, but we all got used to that too and the people who bitch and moaned about improper use of terminology were none-the-better for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cobra_1878 View Post
    I guess his range would be TT+, AQs+, KQs, AQo, KQo. I don't see his range being much wider than that. I only include KK/AA because of read in OP.
    too wide, I'd shrink it in like 99-QQ with very few AQ combos and maybe 50/50 AK combos. He's cold-calling (lolsemantics there are 50billion more important things poker-wise to discuss than this term) OOP against someone who I assume he views as competent. I wouldn't be shocked if he's folding all AQ combos here. I also imagine he'll just 4bet KK+ but we should maybe account for them slightly, to the point where if we were split in our decision further in the hand the small % of times they have those 2 hands could tip the scales in a board-specific direction.

    Also the CO is a nit and not a massive whale so that shouldn't encourage the BB to come along with slightly weaker holdings that would typically dominate a fish's CO opening (and 3bet continuing) range here.
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