04-09-2016 02:12 PM
#20851
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04-09-2016 04:20 PM
#20852
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Because lack of innovation due to lack of competition due to government subsidization. If you were thinking of something else, let me know. |
04-09-2016 04:44 PM
#20853
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It's incredibly more difficult to pick up on what you do badly as opposed to what someone else does badly. Not to mention a lot of the time people who pick faults with the way lecturers do things are doing so in a personal way. When I was speaking to students who are 16-18 they'd moan about their teachers (who'd have thought 1 on 1 tutoring is easier and more effective) without having any understanding of why their teachers did certain things when some of those things were actually really good. Obviously some of the complains were valid. |
04-09-2016 05:11 PM
#20854
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Wuf, I felt the same way, and it was incredibly frustrating. | |
04-09-2016 05:52 PM
#20855
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Yeah. I don't like student reviews one bit. At best all they can do is point out egregious errors by way of frequent complaints; at worst they're a smorgasbord of mostly worthless complaints. What I like even less though is that educators don't have their own educators on education. Universities need to have other phds whose job is exclusively to evaluate and educate the other professors on how to do their jobs. It's silly that if you're progressing through any subject, you are thought to need instruction, but if you're an instructor, you're thought of as an expert on the subject of instruction and given full reign. |
04-09-2016 06:05 PM
#20856
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It's pretty hard to rate the teaching of subjects you don't understand yourself & having people to rate the teaching of specific subjects doesn't seem feasible. |
04-09-2016 06:24 PM
#20857
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That is correct, but I think some principles are true across the board. For example, clear definitions of each necessary element, specific techniques on how to approach the problems, step-by-step methodology, and detailed solutions should be mandatory for all instruction on quantitative material. I got this from my calculus teacher and I got better at the material than most other math majors who are deeper intuits on the subject, and I didn't have any of what I call "anti-studying" moments where I was trying to study but getting nowhere and didn't have enough reference to start getting somewhere. I didn't get this from my upper division math professors, and I feel very weak with the material and grades have reflected. This same distinction has been true in the other quantitative classes I've taken, including economics and chemistry. |
04-09-2016 08:37 PM
#20858
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I'll add that I think the reasons these changes aren't being made to the university system is because then it would become quite obvious that the lecture class is obsolete. We don't need a thousand marginally-revised textbooks each year and we don't need redundant regional lecture. We need a handful of organizations that compete on format for textbooks and video solutions that can be mass dispersed, and the university place needs to be a library with programs and tutors, not residential grounds with lecturers and class grades. |
04-09-2016 08:43 PM
#20859
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There is irony in that the area-specific class lecture was created due to its effectiveness at communicating to the largest audience, yet today there are other colossally more effective modes of communication, yet we can't adopt them because of how heavily subsidized with tax revenues the obsolete lecture format is. |
04-09-2016 11:30 PM
#20860
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Why do companies train people with lecturers? | |
04-09-2016 11:48 PM
#20861
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04-10-2016 12:17 AM
#20862
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It's common, easy, and cheap at small scales requiring extreme specialization since virtually all companies have different things they need their employees to know. I'm talking about the non-specific stuff, which is what you get at the undergraduate level. Calculus hasn't changed in forever, yet instruction of it is pretty much left up to the individual instructor. We should have already coalesced on the best strategies for calculus learning. |
04-10-2016 12:34 AM
#20863
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The thing is your second to last paragraph where you outline what they should be doing is exactly what they shouldn't be doing. In fact I'm genuinely surprised that you haven't been made aware of that because it's the bog standard thing that students want whilst being massively unhelpful. Funnily enough because they want to get grades rather than learn. |
Last edited by Savy; 04-10-2016 at 12:39 AM. | |
04-10-2016 12:49 AM
#20864
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It can be hard to do. It's not the most efficient process. This is one of the main reasons why I think walk-in tutoring in library settings works best. Then students can do their homework and just raise hands and get help right when they have a question. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-10-2016 at 02:23 AM. | |
04-10-2016 01:55 AM
#20865
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It's how material is taught for the hardest exams. University calculus is nothing in difficulty compared to Society of Actuaries math, and the companies that instruct courses for the exams are at great risk of going out of business if their subscribers don't learn the material fast enough and well enough use the techniques I laid out to a much greater degree than the typical university professor. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-10-2016 at 01:58 AM. | |
04-10-2016 02:16 AM
#20866
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I should add that the teacher who used the techniques I laid out better than others had the hardest exams I've ever taken, and I aced them all. When you teach things well, you can make your exams tough. |
04-10-2016 02:56 AM
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I reread after responding to make sure I didn't miss something. It's possible I missed your main point, so my response to that is as follows. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-10-2016 at 02:59 AM. | |
04-10-2016 09:42 AM
#20868
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@wufwugy: Sounds like you're feeling the stress of being a student, but I really disagree with the majority of your points. | |
04-10-2016 11:27 AM
#20869
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That's most of what I've been doing. |
04-10-2016 11:56 AM
#20870
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04-10-2016 12:22 PM
#20871
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04-10-2016 12:33 PM
#20872
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04-10-2016 01:12 PM
#20873
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The thing is this, wuf. | |
04-10-2016 01:12 PM
#20874
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Knowledge and mental skills are all recall and recognition. Even math intuits are still just recalling and recognizing their math information and techniques. |
04-10-2016 01:46 PM
#20875
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One likely reason is because people tend to be intuits in the fields they go into. Intuits can get away with lower quality instruction. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 04-10-2016 at 01:52 PM. | |
04-10-2016 02:46 PM
#20876
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The math courses you're talking about are NOT easy. Even if taught well, they are very difficult courses. Most cover problems where famous mathematicians spent their entire life attempting to solve...when others spent their entire life failing to solve it. | |
04-10-2016 04:02 PM
#20877
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I'm not sure that I think regurgitation works at even the low levels. As simple as integration by parts is, you can't just regurgitate and get the right answer consistently. If you try it that way, you'll make mistakes like dropping signs too often or accidentally differentiating v' instead of integrating. Those are at least two common mistakes that I smoothed through with practice that I don't think I could have if I was attempting regurgitation. |
04-10-2016 04:16 PM
#20878
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The biggest difference is your actuary material has a specific goal on mind. It's one application. | |
04-10-2016 04:36 PM
#20879
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That's true and I suspect it's a significant factor in how the teaching methods are justified. I just don't think they work that well. |
04-10-2016 04:39 PM
#20880
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That's also because single variable calculus is easy to do the things you want to do & multi variable calculus isn't. It's also harder because points you can gloss over and not understand but have little to no impact on single variable calculus can be quite fundamental in understanding what's going on in multi variable calculus. |
Last edited by Savy; 04-10-2016 at 04:43 PM. | |
04-10-2016 04:40 PM
#20881
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I should clarify that the important distinction between the two teachers is that one focused on thought processes and mechanics while the other one didn't. The other one taught the class as if he was teaching it to himself. That's probably why his exams look nothing like his lectures or the homework. He is a math wizard and only needs concepts. But the rest of us normies, we need more. |
04-10-2016 04:48 PM
#20882
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I edited my above post before I saw you'd posted this. |
Last edited by Savy; 04-10-2016 at 04:51 PM. | |
04-10-2016 04:55 PM
#20883
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It's more complex, but that doesn't necessarily make it harder. Things like finding limits of integration in multi uses the same skills as in single; it just requires more elements, which makes it more complex but not necessarily more difficult. |
04-10-2016 04:57 PM
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Your point about innovation & regurgitation is true except that what you're being asked to do in exams isn't innovation. If you've put the work in & read around the subject you'll probably have come across the ideas used to solve whatever the problem is but even if you haven't you have the tools and understanding to solve the problem. It's not like it's asking for novel solutions. |
04-10-2016 05:05 PM
#20885
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I try to not make that distinction. I think of it more like some people being naturally intuitive on some things and others not. |
04-10-2016 05:12 PM
#20886
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04-10-2016 05:38 PM
#20887
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When are there no examples? |
04-10-2016 05:39 PM
#20888
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04-10-2016 05:44 PM
#20889
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TooSavyForYourOwnGood |
04-10-2016 06:14 PM
#20890
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04-10-2016 10:25 PM
#20891
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lol | |
04-11-2016 11:31 PM
#20892
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This is borderline "Election Thread", but I gotta say it. | |
04-11-2016 11:32 PM
#20893
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Hill Jong-un |
04-11-2016 11:42 PM
#20894
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I had a near rage moment today. One that I believe I would have acted upon if I had any inclination towards rage. |
04-12-2016 09:19 AM
#20895
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um... Kudos on your altogether mundane level of self-restraint? | |
04-12-2016 11:41 AM
#20896
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I didn't do it because I'm not an escalator. I wanted to do it because I like social order and consideration. I've never done something like that to somebody. Only one kind of person parks diagonally on the line to an already positioned car so much that they have no room: people who need to be taught a lesson. Granted a note would probably have been better, but not because it instills a more deterrent incentive in the receiver, but because somebody who would do what he did is somebody who is likely to take getting his just desserts the wrong way. |
04-12-2016 11:57 AM
#20897
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04-12-2016 12:17 PM
#20898
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04-12-2016 12:20 PM
#20899
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04-12-2016 12:36 PM
#20900
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04-12-2016 12:52 PM
#20901
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04-12-2016 12:54 PM
#20902
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Well it's retarded because you can't park diagonally on a line, only over it. But that's not socially retarded, merely logcial nitpicking. | |
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04-12-2016 12:58 PM
#20903
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I think I'd spit on his windscreen, right in front of the driver's seat. | |
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04-12-2016 01:00 PM
#20904
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04-12-2016 01:03 PM
#20905
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04-12-2016 01:25 PM
#20906
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Would he understand that his car was hit due to parking that way? | |
04-12-2016 01:29 PM
#20907
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04-12-2016 01:51 PM
#20908
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04-12-2016 02:23 PM
#20909
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04-12-2016 02:34 PM
#20910
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04-12-2016 03:30 PM
#20911
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Ladies and gentlemen, the smartest person in the history of the planet. | |
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04-12-2016 04:31 PM
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He's very careful with his language, he says he's like the smartest person in the history of the planet. | |
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04-12-2016 05:58 PM
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Which is the best kind of correct | |
04-12-2016 05:58 PM
#20914
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04-12-2016 06:02 PM
#20915
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Translation: when wuf says he's more brillianter than all the things, he means he's okay. He's decent. He's not bad. He's not dumber than a bag of sticks. Well, not a freshly bundled bag of sticks -- those are legit -- but an old musty bag of sticks. He beats the piss out of that musty bag. It's no competition. Musty bag never saw it coming. |
04-12-2016 06:07 PM
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You beat stick? | |
04-12-2016 06:16 PM
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i read that in a russian accent. would read again. |
04-12-2016 08:46 PM
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.2597839 | |
04-12-2016 09:04 PM
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04-12-2016 09:36 PM
#20920
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04-12-2016 09:50 PM
#20921
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Ultimately yay. A driver's license is a privilege that you have to pass multiple tests to get, and many caveats that you have to perform in order to maintain that privilege. From obeying traffic and parking laws to maintaining the safety of the vehicle to keeping insurance to maintaining your mental state while operating the vehicle. | |
Last edited by MadMojoMonkey; 04-12-2016 at 09:54 PM. | |
04-13-2016 02:35 AM
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I've seen people obviously on their phone during rush hour on the highway. And not just, "I'll check one thing and put it away" -- I'm talking about spending the entire trip with their focus down in their lap instead of on the road. It really irritates me when I see someone doing that in my rearview mirror, because I don't want to be rear-ended because some bimbo wants to see what her friends posted on Facebook in the last hour. | |
04-13-2016 02:37 AM
#20923
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What would be even more awesome -- fully self-driving cars become a reality and you can use your phone all you want, because you're not driving. Elon Musk claims that Tesla will have that capability in two years. | |
04-13-2016 07:49 AM
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Fully self-driving cars are already a thing. | |
04-13-2016 07:55 AM
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I'm still a bit unsure if this would count as being forced to provide evidence of your own guilt in a crime. | |