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FR 2nl 22 CO River Play?

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  1. #1

    Default FR 2nl 22 CO River Play?

    888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    MP+1: $2.13 (VPIP: 45.12, PFR: 1.83, 3Bet Preflop: 1.56, Hands: 165)
    Hero (CO): $3.34
    BTN: $2.00 (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 203)
    SB: $2.22 (VPIP: 30.91, PFR: 29.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
    BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 9.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 197)
    UTG: $1.97 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
    UTG+1: $3.27 (VPIP: 62.14, PFR: 28.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)
    UTG+2: $0.89 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
    MP: $2.00 (VPIP: 7.55, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 53)

    SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 2 2

    fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, fold, fold

    Flop: ($0.19, 4 players) Q 4 2
    UTG+1 checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $0.09, BTN calls $0.09, fold, fold

    Turn: ($0.37, 2 players) J
    Hero bets $0.27, BTN calls $0.27

    River: ($0.91, 2 players) Q
    Hero checks, BTN checks
  2. #2
    You should explain your own thought process when posting hands, just posting a hand doesn't really help as much as we can't pinpoint the faults in your logic.

    River is a clear value bet, I'd be amazed if it wasn't in almost every possible situation. Against a lot of people at 2nl I think jamming here is completely fine against this opponent I think making it 70ish and calling a shove is fine.
  3. #3
    Yeah, I would be interested to hear why you checked the river here. You should be trying to get all your chips in the middle as quickly as you can.
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  4. #4
    Ok, I'll add some thoughts next time...on reflection I see that checking the river is a mistake, because i was worried about Qx I should be betting here and praying for Qx as my full house wins big...school boy error...
  5. #5
    888 Poker - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
    Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

    MP+1: $2.13 (VPIP: 45.12, PFR: 1.83, 3Bet Preflop: 1.56, Hands: 165)
    Hero (CO): $3.34
    BTN: $2.00 (VPIP: 17.82, PFR: 12.87, 3Bet Preflop: 1.96, Hands: 203)
    SB: $2.22 (VPIP: 30.91, PFR: 29.09, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
    BB: $2.00 (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 9.74, 3Bet Preflop: 6.90, Hands: 197)
    UTG: $1.97 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
    UTG+1: $3.27 (VPIP: 62.14, PFR: 28.16, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 104)
    UTG+2: $0.89 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
    MP: $2.00 (VPIP: 7.55, PFR: 7.55, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 53)

    SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

    Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has 2 2

    fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.04, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, BTN calls $0.04, fold, fold

    Flop: ($0.19, 4 players) Q 4 2
    UTG+1 checks, MP+1 checks, Hero bets $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, fold, fold

    Turn: ($0.79, 2 players) J
    Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70

    River: ($2.19, 2 players) Q
    Hero bets $1, BTN calls all in /folds

    Using your hand as an example, this is how a small overbet on the flop influences getting your stacks in by the river with your monstersand gets max value from their draws before they miss and fold on the river. also , instead of having to try and go crazy on the river , they are left with only a half pot bet to call even though its the biggest $ value bet to call.
    Last edited by Keith; 03-31-2014 at 09:32 AM.
  6. #6
    I think if button is aggressive and/or can't fold big hands, then this is a fine spot to go for a c/bomb on the river. Most players will bet Qx and have a hard time folding to a jam, and if he's aggressive he'll bluff bricked draws too.

    The less likely he is to bluff a FD or to b/c Qx, the more likely you should be betting yourself though. So this depends on your reads.

    The main hand we lose value from by checking is mostly Jxdd imo (assuming all Qx bets). Even that hand MIGHT bet if we check, but much less likely.

    My standard line here, and any similar boards where river trips up and i have stronger than trips is generally to c/bomb and c/f with most of my weaker range. Probably not bluffing very much in this spot by tripling into river probable trips. Qx likely makes up the most of my betting range on the river.
    Last edited by griffey24; 04-02-2014 at 07:06 AM.
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