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  1. #1

    Default River play?

    Playing 8 handed 25-50 NLH 100 BB max buy in @ the local casino

    Folded to the villain in the highjack:
    Stack~ 7500
    Opens for 150 ( Villain usually raises from late position, moreso on the button. I'll credit him to have at least a PP, A-xs, Broadway combos and premiums in this spot).

    Villain is a very capable LAG, been playing with him a lot and can fire three barrels if he feels he can win the pot.

    Cut off folds,

    Hero (button): Stack~ 12000
    With 10h-8h calls.
    Hero's range on the button is wide. Image is loose aggro esp in position.

    Blinds fold, heads up pot.

    Preflop pot: 450
    Flop comes Ac-4s-9h
    Villain bets: 250 (villain cbets A-high, K-high, Q-high flops alot and his cbet is almost always half pot. Saw him did this with a set, saw him did this with air).
    Hero: decides to float. Calls.

    Pot before the turn: 950
    Turn: Ah
    Board reads: Ac-4s-9h-Ah
    Villain bets: 500.
    Hero (with 10h flush draw): raises to 1250.
    Villain tanks... and calls.

    Pot before the river: 2450
    River 5c (completing the unlikely wheel draw so i consider it a brick).
    Board reads: Ac-4s-9h-Ah-5c
    Villain checks
    Hero: ?

    My thoughts:
    1) What would be your bet sizes here? Overbet, Pot sized or value?
    2) Would you even consider bluffing in this spot?
    3) If hero reads villain as weak, would a turn float; rather than raising (for pot control) and a big bet on the river be the better line after villain checks?

    GL at the tables my friends
    Last edited by thefishtank; 08-30-2011 at 11:27 PM.
  2. #2
    this multi-street bluffing is pretty bad.You rep so few nut hands in your range on this rag board.I doubt that villian can fold on the river given no draws complete.Why do you want to float vs an aggressive player who tend to DB or trip. I'd rather raise flop than float and play guessing game on later streets.
  3. #3
    based on reads and our image, I don't like this hand at any point.

    pre: not a hand I want to play against this guy. would rather 3-bet than flat to have some FE and ability to rep more boards. flops hands that can't take 3 streets of heat -- tpwk, 2nd pair, draws.

    flop: i hate folding flops and this is an ambitious float even for me.

    turn: raise is OK I think but once he tank-calls I'd give up; I'd like it better if he snap-called.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  4. #4
    I think his lack of a re-raise on the turn followed by a check on the river rules out the very strong hands (Big A's, FH's). Also I think the check on the river indicates that he has something with showdown value. Your read suggests that he would fire the river if he needed to. So, Based on that, how's this for villain's range:

    AT, A8, A7, A6, A3, A2, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, K9, Q9, J9, T9, 98

    How much of that range could we get to fold with a bluff? I wasnt' there, but if I thought I could get the villain to fold that range 1/3 of the time, you could profitably bet 800-1200 here.

    Is 1/3 possible? Maybe. It's villain dependent. But it certainly seems plausible that A2 and A3 could fold along with T9 and 89. That's 34 of the 119 possible combos in that range. So we only need the rest of those hands to fold 8% of the time in order to fold out a full 1/3 of the villain's range.

    I realize that's a big IF. But it's 25/50, not 1/2.
    Last edited by Ghaleon; 08-31-2011 at 11:38 AM.
  5. #5
    don't get the turn raise -- can't see him folding any ace and I can't see him firing 3 on this board, so just call turn and get him off air on the river when he gives up.
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    if i was to bet this river it would be for like $4150 to get him to muck an A. even then im not sure he'd muck
    Last edited by bikes; 09-01-2011 at 02:27 PM.

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    Looks like you ran into a hand.

    Oh well, happens.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pokerfan View Post
    this multi-street bluffing is pretty bad.You rep so few nut hands in your range on this rag board.
    Does it really matter how many hands you're repping the way live players think?

    My biggest concern is how often he'll fire the second barrel with hands he's folding to further resistance.
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    the deal here is that you are just hardly ever getting a fold on the river once he calls you on the turn.
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