07-04-2018 12:32 PM
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07-04-2018 12:36 PM
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Here's a link to his book and a snippet of the description |
07-04-2018 12:42 PM
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Oh right you've quoted this argument before. Well, I disagree that people don't benefit from education in ways that are independent of the information learned. | |
07-04-2018 12:45 PM
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07-04-2018 12:50 PM
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I think people benefit from it. The Caplan discussion is about why people are paying such unusually high amounts of money (both employers and students) for it. |
07-04-2018 12:51 PM
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07-04-2018 12:58 PM
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I'm so confused why BS's argument that good universities is the result of great schools is complete rubbish. The reason the US and UK have so many great universities is because they are research facilities with the best reputation and funding by far so they attract the best from all over the world. |
07-04-2018 12:59 PM
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07-04-2018 01:03 PM
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07-04-2018 01:33 PM
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And yet you hung around and finished your degree. | |
07-04-2018 01:33 PM
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07-04-2018 01:53 PM
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I would have quit about 70% through but I understood the signaling model and opportunity costs and comparative advantages. |
07-04-2018 01:55 PM
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Are you planning on continuing your education or what is next for you, if you don't mind me asking. | |
07-04-2018 01:57 PM
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07-04-2018 01:57 PM
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07-04-2018 01:58 PM
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I don't really get this argument though. If it's all about signalling and nothing is gained from education, wouldn't companies who hired uneducated people save money by getting the same quality workers for a lower price, and wouldn't this make advanced education obsolete for non-specialised courses? | |
07-04-2018 02:07 PM
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Here's some food for thought - uneducated masses tend to vote right-wing. So, there's an incentive for certain governments to undercut basic education. The smartest will still muddle their way through and go on to succeed at higher ed, but the dumbest will just stay dumb and pliable. | |
07-04-2018 02:09 PM
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I've considered doing a doctorate in economics, but I think my motivations (mixed with my drive) would not make that wise. What I'm getting at is that I want to change what I view to be wrong directions taken by the economic academia, yet I don't have the kind of crazy right-tail distribution drive needed to succeed at that, which would turn my decision into a disaster for sure. Outside of that, unless you want to research or teach, doing a doctorate is probably a very bad idea, and I don't necessarily want to do those. |
07-04-2018 02:14 PM
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Smart people don't not go to college anymore. |
07-04-2018 02:16 PM
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Interesting, thanks for sharing. | |
07-04-2018 02:16 PM
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07-04-2018 02:20 PM
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07-04-2018 02:25 PM
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These things are not infallible predictors obviously. There's a lot of variance around who starts where and becomes what. But, the basic relationship between level of ed and political views is fairly well established. | |
07-04-2018 02:45 PM
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There's something to be said for the role of education in teaching people how to think (wrongly). There was once a time where maybe educated people were more skeptical and had better understanding about stuff, but that seems to have reversed. |
07-04-2018 10:26 PM
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07-04-2018 10:29 PM
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There is an interesting point in that documentary I suggested which says schools were set up with like 15% going into academic jobs, doctors, research etc, 25% going into roles where education is needed like more office based jobs and the rest it was ok if they only picked up basic skills because they were going into more manual labour type positions. |
07-04-2018 10:30 PM
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Really? I don't think so. I think most educated people are very skeptical. The issue is freedom of speech has completely gone and it pushes people to take lines they don't fully back because to argue against them would ruin their careers. We are in a lynch mob era like never before. |
07-05-2018 12:35 PM
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Skepticism might be the wrong way to put it. What I'm getting at is along the lines of how sometimes it takes a powerful intellect to rationalize (and believe) some very dumb things. |
07-05-2018 01:40 PM
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I gotta side with Savvy a bit. | |
07-05-2018 01:57 PM
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07-05-2018 02:01 PM
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It's an interesting point. I'm not sure what I think of it. |
07-05-2018 02:59 PM
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Disagree. It's important to note here that it's actually a small minority of women that identify themselves as "feminists". However, I believe for those women, feminism stems from sincere outrage over an alleged male privilege and a genuine disgust toward masculine behavior that they perceive as "toxic". They believe that the history of the human race is a story of patriarchal tyranny where men were privileged and dominant while women were enslaved and oppressed. |
07-05-2018 03:05 PM
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We're talking two different crowds. I agree with that regarding the very extreme group of feminists. A wide swath of the rest who are not so extreme and are more tangentially attached to feminism fit into what I described IMO. |
07-05-2018 03:55 PM
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Yeah. It was my mistake to say "feminists" like it's a well-defined term. | |
07-05-2018 04:22 PM
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It's funny (or sad) at how much of the behavior that was integral for survival for 99.99% of human existence is frowned upon today. |
07-05-2018 08:18 PM
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Here's what I'm getting at: |
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07-05-2018 08:28 PM
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The sciences in universities have not had to deal with this a whole lot yet. The humanities have all but been taken over by it. Where I was, the more mathematical side of the social sciences, is waging a war on it right now. I saw it in real time, where the textbooks said one thing while some of the professors taught some things that don't cohere with the textbooks but DO cohere with an ideological and political view of the world. |