Btw I don't want to sound high and mighty or anything there. It's just honestly how I perceive things.
07-03-2013 02:41 PM
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Btw I don't want to sound high and mighty or anything there. It's just honestly how I perceive things. | |
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07-03-2013 03:06 PM
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Grunching: | |
07-03-2013 03:07 PM
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I don't think you're being high and mighty at all. | |
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07-03-2013 03:21 PM
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Well aesthetics is a pretty interesting topic. Why something strikes one as being beautiful. Beauty (not related to sexual attraction which has an obvious biological function) and its appreciation seems to have no direct "practical" value, and yet society without art, theatre, dance and music is unthinkable - indeed it seems to be a fundamental human need. Why? Why did cavemen start drumming beats and dance to it? What's the driving force behind all that? As a professional musician, once in a while I'm forced to ponder stuff like that. | |
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07-03-2013 03:28 PM
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It's not as elusive as you think. Many others have pondered this before you. And we know why. If you want I can just tell you lol | |
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07-03-2013 03:30 PM
#10656
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jv, @ chelle or @ me? | |
07-03-2013 03:32 PM
#10657
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At you. | |
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07-03-2013 03:34 PM
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Well, elaborate. | |
07-03-2013 03:35 PM
#10659
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I'm pretty sure that one of the fundamentals that lie beneath appreciation of art in any form is related to empathy. | |
07-03-2013 03:39 PM
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I guess Tolstoy's views are pretty close to my own: "Art is a human activity consisting in this, that one man consciously, by means of certain external signs, hands on to others feelings he has lived through, and that other people are infected by these feelings and also experience them." | |
07-03-2013 03:41 PM
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which also explains why often i find people who haven't lived through any tough times or whatever produce lame art. but that's just my anecdotal two cents, it's far from a rule of thumb! | |
07-03-2013 03:49 PM
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like, recent studies showed that yawn contagion is related to empathy - the more empathy one has the more prone they are to it. http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/...ce-of-empathy/ | |
07-03-2013 04:03 PM
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Tell someone not to be someone who says things like "omg old music is so much better" and saying I don't like the stones aren't different things. |
07-03-2013 04:10 PM
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another point which is relevant is that most artists aren't all that great, and that's the way it always has been. look at how few people from each era people still give a damn about today. only a handful. | |
07-03-2013 04:14 PM
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also hitler was a crap artist. | |
07-03-2013 04:16 PM
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and seemed to have little empathy. | |
07-03-2013 04:24 PM
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Not gonna produce a huge post here, but it stems from sexual selection on intelligence. Being able to produce art or music that moves people (whether through it's aesthetic value, cultural fads, what it represents or who the creator is as a person - or most likely a combination of all those factors) is a heuristic we use for good genes. What we are capable of as people, in terms of buildings, colonizing the whole world, abstract thought, philosophy, medical and scientific advances etc, is an "unplanned" (ie it's not an advantage in and of itself) consequence of choosing smart mates. Kind like if you select on flies for size, you can grow really large ones. In the same way humans became a lot smarter in a relatively small period of time, evolutionarily speaking, through sexual selection. I have to add that that last part is more my opinion and there are other theories. The sexual selection part of our cranial explosion is generally accepted but there are varying theories on what was the catalyst. Most think it had to do with changing environmental factors, such as a higher intelligence helped with using utensils and weapons and hunting, like being able to throw a spear. | |
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07-03-2013 04:24 PM
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07-03-2013 04:40 PM
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Hm I think you're on the wrong track thinking about it in terms of empathy. Hitler was one of the most influencial people of the past century. You can't honestly say that a person who was able to bring a whole country together (people mass fainted at his speeches they were so powerful) to lack the most basic people skill. It's quite the opposite. I've read Mein Kampf, and besides the jews suck nonsense, it read like a psychology book on how to influence people. He basically invented propaganda. He is the embodiment of evil in our society, and it's hard to find anything objective about him, but I did find some books in the library in college. | |
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07-03-2013 04:41 PM
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I'll just go with what Andy Warhol said, 'Art is what you can get away with.' | |
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07-03-2013 04:44 PM
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07-03-2013 04:47 PM
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07-03-2013 04:50 PM
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I mean, my understanding of evil is that a dire lack of empathy is a pre-requisite for it. | |
07-03-2013 05:02 PM
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This is true, he was a psychopath if you take empathy in the sense of showing affection and care for other people, which I take is the definition you use. My definition is more in terms of how someone is able to understand people. He did have that otherwise he wouldn't have been able to weasel his way into uniting germany under his ideology. Well to be fair a big factor in how it happened as it did was that germany had been harshly punished for ww1 and as such very susceptible to unite under a powerful leader and refind their patriotism. Still, he did what was needed to fill that void. | |
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07-03-2013 05:12 PM
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True, in that they are psychopaths. But the dirty truth is that this is also true for politicians and succesful managers and entrepeneurs. The best criminals are also the best businessmen, genetically speaking. | |
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07-03-2013 05:18 PM
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Well, it's a bit of stretch to say that even a significant portion of the prisoners sent to Australia were actual psychopaths. I don't know enough about it though to say what degree of criminal you had to be on that boat. | |
07-03-2013 05:21 PM
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Also nature vs nurture blah blah blah. Not all people with 0 empathy will end up being a psychopath. | |
07-03-2013 05:24 PM
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07-03-2013 05:26 PM
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Not to mention most "oldies" songs are nostalgia driven crap anyway. |
07-03-2013 05:28 PM
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Yeah I was more talking about how the skillsets top criminals have and the skillsets of exemplary people are very similar. About psychopathy, it's a pretty laden word, where in reality it is a spectrum and there's nothing essentially wrong with it. Just that it was common in criminals like serial killers, so it's a clinical term. But yeah politicians who think one thing and say another for a job, what do you make of that? | |
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07-03-2013 05:41 PM
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Yeah this is what I mean. Empathy is also an acquired skill imo, everyone has the ability to be empathic. Everyone is capable of greatness, and everyone has the ability to murder someone else under the right circumstances. We have a mental mechanism that makes us capable of objectifying (a subset of) other people. As in "I am empathic with all other people, and care for them. But the enemy aren't people, they're below people not even worth thinking about". This is probably easier for psychopaths. | |
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07-03-2013 05:43 PM
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07-03-2013 06:15 PM
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07-03-2013 07:06 PM
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I just spent about 2 hours hand sewing a dress to make it 2 inches shorter, and to make it tighter since I've lost so much weight. | |
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07-04-2013 03:56 AM
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Ask my butcher if he can prepare my chicken wings for me. I explain that I need the wing tips removed, then cut into two sections. This will save me prep time. Just checked on my stock and he ain't done it. Cut of the wing tips sure, but left it whole. I aint got time to butcher 200 mofing wings. Special for the day? Whole wings........"like they do in the USofA - Happy July 4th"......might get away with it........ | |
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07-04-2013 04:04 AM
#10686
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Sounds like a man with a plan. | |
07-04-2013 04:33 AM
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That's not how they do it here... | |
07-04-2013 04:51 AM
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I know that - but if anyone pulls me up on it, I say along the lines of "A cool American chef named Boost gave me the recipe"........ | |
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07-04-2013 04:52 AM
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true, now that i think of it, i've never seen unseparated wings ever in any place i've ever been. but you could still bluff. idk. | |
07-04-2013 03:44 PM
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BANNED
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07-04-2013 06:26 PM
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okay so i need some advice. | |
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07-04-2013 06:29 PM
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Alternatively just buy a sewing machine and then have hours of fun using it and doing cool stuff that you couldn't do by hand. |
07-04-2013 06:32 PM
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My Mom has two - one of which is getting passed to me whenever I get a place, which is why I don't want to buy one to keep forever. But, currently I'm 45 minutes away from my house, and won't be there for a few days. I need the more floofy petticoat for a photo shoot this weekend. The petticoat is okay as it is, but, needs more floof. I'd basically be using a sewing machine for 30-45 minutes max. | |
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07-04-2013 06:46 PM
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That's not an acceptable reason to do what you want to do unfortunately. |
07-04-2013 06:48 PM
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07-04-2013 07:40 PM
#10696
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This sounds perfectly acceptable to me. If it matters to you just do it. Unless this is a local store where everyone is in your circle of acquaintances, this is socially just fine. That's coming from a soul-less nonginger. | |
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07-04-2013 08:19 PM
#10697
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Now I'm getting mixed responses WHATTHEFUCKDOIDO | |
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07-04-2013 09:16 PM
#10698
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Seems like a pretty straightforward don't do it to me. | |
07-04-2013 09:24 PM
#10699
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Seems like a pretty straightforward idgaf to me | |
07-05-2013 01:24 AM
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My first attempt at this is in the oven, hoping to make it a regular lunch although may need another attempt or two at it to get it down (kinda freeballed veg+meat to egg ratio, and wasn't sure about the size of the dish to do it in cos dunno how much the eggs are going to expand, so may have made too thin a layer of everything). | |
07-05-2013 01:43 AM
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I didn't do it. I did, however, get a handheld sewing machine for 1/4th the price of a cheaper sewing machine. | |
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07-05-2013 02:02 AM
#10702
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Man.. buying things, from a big box store, for a single use, then returning them after you're done: Super Standard. You're playing life suboptimally if this isn't in your playbook. | |
07-05-2013 10:42 AM
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So, watched "This Is The End" on Sunday, and dear god. It's funny. | |
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07-05-2013 02:11 PM
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07-05-2013 02:27 PM
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ha. I don't remember saying that, but I'm happy to be given credit for it. Def gonna start using it on the reg. | |
07-05-2013 02:44 PM
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07-05-2013 07:57 PM
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some of the most entertaining and insightful analyses of history ive seen, with relevance to modern culture and current events |
07-06-2013 01:03 AM
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07-06-2013 05:26 AM
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07-06-2013 07:09 PM
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07-06-2013 11:01 PM
#10711
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...i posed on classic cars today in a pin-up outfit. | |
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07-06-2013 11:24 PM
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07-06-2013 11:31 PM
#10713
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oh fuck. i just got a glance of a few pictures taken today. | |
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07-07-2013 03:04 AM
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I'm subbed to it, so I don't know why I didn't just go look on youtube... guess I was in an especially lazy mood. Here you go: | |
07-07-2013 03:26 AM
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oh thanks, i know cgpgrey tho. he's great |
07-07-2013 01:17 PM
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07-07-2013 01:56 PM
#10717
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what advantages does the oven method have over boiling them, which doesn't take 40 minutes and is easy enough? | |
07-07-2013 04:36 PM
#10718
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Pretty good thankee, I think I cooked it for a few minutes too long but it'll be my third lunch of it in a row today and planning on making more tomorrow. | |
07-07-2013 05:52 PM
#10719
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Yeah, seems like an energy waste. My method is putting the eggs in COLD water, put it on high heat, once it starts boiling immediately (or after like 30 seconds) turn off the heat. Wait exactly 13 minutes. You're good to go. I dunno if this works on gas stoves, 'cause on electric the element stays hot for a while. The principle stays the same though, the eggs are already kind of cooking even before the water reaches boiling. | |
07-07-2013 05:53 PM
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And you'll never ever overboil them this way. | |
07-07-2013 05:53 PM
#10721
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Softboiled eggs though, that shit is hard to get down. | |
07-07-2013 06:43 PM
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it is...there's so many variables. how salty the water is, your elevation, the size of the egg. You've almost gotta just learn what's the best time for your setup through trial & error. mine currently takes 5mins to do 3-5 eggs, but in my last house it was closer to 4mins. | |
07-07-2013 07:08 PM
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07-07-2013 07:50 PM
#10724
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07-07-2013 09:11 PM
#10725
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- so easy a caveman could do it | |
Last edited by Lukie; 07-07-2013 at 09:14 PM. | |