Operation Make Money

[kmind]

So I locked up my old blog "Operation Get Better". Tried starting a second one but wasn't really into poker to be honest. I've been playing and thinking a lot so at least for the time being I should update here periodically.

A lot has changed over the years. I have a gf of 1.5yrs and I graduated college at Virginia Commonwealth University. I have no real job and my gf lives 3.5hrs away when at school (Virginia Tech) and 2.5hrs away when she's at home so that's no fun and also cost some money. Therefore, I need some poker money.

I'm admitting right now my goal isn't to necessarily become the best poker player I can, but to install a gameplan that will create the most money I am capable of achieving. To do this, I am experimenting with playing about 14 tables of 6max at 25NL. So far I have put myself in great shape to win a decent amount of profit but I am experiencing the negative side of coolers while not being able to cooler others. So right now my profit this month (minus rakeback) is $52 and a winrate of +1.1BB/100 over 13.3k hands. Not many hands at all compared to the amount of tables I usually play but I'm gone half the month with my gf and can't really get in the hours.



I honestly think the play at 25NL is pretty atrocious and allows me to play a good amount of tables without much hassle. Once I start getting on the positive side of the coolers/EV I am confident I can maintain a decent winrate. On top of this I reached out for some coaching from MDoranD who I know can help me with my game at these levels. My first session is Wednesday.

I also haven't post a blog in awhile because I took a LONG break from talking poker with anyone. Everyone's thoughts were just confusing the hell out of me and I needed to play on my own and do things that I truly understood and agreed with. I also dropped to 10NL. This allowed me like 7 winning months in a row and am now at 25NL cashing out frequently.

Shout out to zook and griffey for being pissed at HEM's table scanner too. Shout out to alexos for being the man.

[Da GOAT]

go go go

[Micro2Macro]

gl kmind

you should come into irc

[kmind]

Thanks guys.

Just ended up +2 buyins in a quick session. Definitely able to cooler some people which is nice. Also made a thinnish value bet and cry folded a biggish pot to a minraise. Today I still finished down like 1.5 buyins in 2k hands.

[jyms]

If your home during the days and playing we can maybe get a TV/skype session going. We can rebuild this shit together.

[griffey24]

Yessssssss.. blog.. sweetness!

GL dude, I know you can do this.

And yah damn table scanner haha

[daven]

1) play as well as you can
2) don't play on tilt
3) get some hours in
4)...
5) profit

last op i asked 'got better yet?' a bunch.
this time it's gonna be 'made money yet?'

[kmind]

Sounds good, jyms. I'm waiting on a headset and then I'll be good. We got this no problem.

[kmind]

1) play as well as you can
2) don't play on tilt
3) get some hours in
4)...
5) profit

last op i asked 'got better yet?' a bunch.
this time it's gonna be 'made money yet?'

ld0! And yeah I appreciated your comments and def. agree with your 5 points. I have played tiltfree the past few months so I am really hoping it continues. I'd say yesterday I did play my B- game for awhile, switched to a C- minus game and then back to an A game to finish the day with a +2 buyin quickie session.

[kmind]

Played a "Pissed at Panthers let's let off some steam" quickie. Only 310 hands. Finished up $9 but lost this standard hand. It is standard right?! All I'm saying in my head on the flop is "please no ten turn".


Villain is playing reggish stats but never played vs him. 21/18 and steals a ton.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($25.10)
UTG ($28.89)
MP ($25)
CO ($25.07)
Hero (Button) ($25.35)
SB ($25.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K
1 fold, MP checks, CO bets $1, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, CO calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.60) 2, 8, 7 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $3, CO calls $3

Turn: ($13.60) 10 (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $5, CO raises to $18.57 (All-In), Hero calls $13.57

River: ($50.74) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $50.74 | Rake: $2.53


P.S. I have to get this off my chest. 4-bet bluffing at 25NL 6max at FTP is profitable. There was an argument in another thread. If you're playing like 2 tables or something then yeah look for the very best 2 tables possible but if you are playing even 6+ you're bound to be on tables with guys who are going to 3bet you very light and have no idea what to do if 4bet. They RARELY have 5bet bluffing ranges which makes 4betting light even more profitable. Whew that felt good.

[kmind]

Down 2.5 buyins today in 1.5k hands. Barely down in EV and these are my biggest losers.

KEEP IN MIND THIS IS NOT ME BEING ANGRY. I'm really not mad at all. If you guys feel I played these poorly please let me know.

Villain seemed reggy but barely any hands on him so far:

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($25)
Hero (SB) ($25.85)
BB ($47.28)
UTG ($32.69)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, Q
UTG bets $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.25) 7, 9, 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $4.50, UTG raises to $29.19 (All-In), Hero calls $17.85 (All-In)

Turn: ($51.95) 7 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($51.95) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $51.95 | Rake: $2

Results:
Hero had Q, Q (two pair, Queens and sevens).
UTG had A, A (two pair, Aces and sevens).
Outcome: UTG won $49.95


Villain was a tight fish. PFR 18%. Had yet to be 3bet.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($48.69)
MP ($17.57)
Button ($38.92)
SB ($25)
Hero (BB) ($25.42)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A
UTG bets $0.75, 3 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, UTG calls $2

Flop: ($5.60) Q, 6, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG raises to $7.25, Hero raises to $22.67 (All-In), UTG calls $15.42

Turn: ($50.94) 10 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($50.94) 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $50.94 | Rake: $2.54

Results:
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
UTG had 6, 9 (two pair, nines and sixes).
Outcome: UTG won $48.40


Same villain as hand #2

Full Tilt Poker Game #23851320938: Table Express (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:07:26 ET - 2010/09/12
Seat 1: lederergeeve ($18.53)
Seat 2: KansasCityMove ($26.90)
Seat 3: NickLungs ($25.01)
Seat 4: Buby2132 ($49.32)
Seat 5: busto2robusto ($29.64)
Seat 6: SuitsUs ($27.67)
lederergeeve posts the small blind of $0.10
KansasCityMove posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Ah Qh]
NickLungs has 15 seconds left to act
NickLungs calls $0.25
Buby2132 folds
busto2robusto folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.25
lederergeeve calls $1.15
KansasCityMove folds
NickLungs folds
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6s 8h]
lederergeeve checks
SuitsUs bets $2
lederergeeve calls $2
*** TURN *** [Qs 6s 8h] [9h]
lederergeeve checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $4
lederergeeve raises to $15.28, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $11.28
lederergeeve shows [8d 6d]
SuitsUs shows [Ah Qh]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 6s 8h 9h] [Js]
lederergeeve shows two pair, Eights and Sixes
SuitsUs shows a pair of Queens
lederergeeve wins the pot ($35.69) with two pair, Eights and Sixes
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $37.56 | Rake $1.87
Board: [Qs 6s 8h 9h Js]
Seat 1: lederergeeve (small blind) showed [8d 6d] and won ($35.69) with two pair, Eights and Sixes
Seat 2: KansasCityMove (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: NickLungs folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Buby2132 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: busto2robusto didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: SuitsUs (button) showed [Ah Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens

Villain playing 15/8 over 134 hands:
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($24.65)
Hero (SB) ($26.20)
BB ($16.77)
UTG ($27.53)
MP ($25.05)
CO ($20.32)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A, A
4 folds, Hero bets $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) K, 8, 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.25, BB calls $3.25

River: ($10.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BB raises to $11.52 (All-In), Hero calls $3.52

Total pot: $33.54 | Rake: $1.67

Results:
Hero had A, A (one pair, Aces).
BB had 9, K (flush, King high).
Outcome: BB won $31.87


Villain playing 45/11
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($13.79)
SB ($24.40)
BB ($37.46)
UTG ($43.02)
MP ($28.61)
Hero (CO) ($25)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10, K
1 fold, MP calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.25, Button calls $1.25, 2 folds, MP calls $1

Flop: ($4.10) 7, 10, 6 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $3, Button calls $3, 1 fold

Turn: ($10.10) K (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, Button raises to $9.54 (All-In), Hero calls $3.04

River: ($29.18) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $29.18 | Rake: $1.45

Results:
Button had 8, 9 (straight, ten high).
Hero had 10, K (two pair, Kings and tens).
Outcome: Button won $27.73

[daven]

KK hand and i don't quite understand your turn sizing.

4-bet bluffing at 25NL 6max at FTP is profitable.

maybe, sometimes. For most people hitting 25nl for the first time there are going to be problems trying it out unless they really work on when and why they should do it. And for everyone it's gonna come with huge variance and is not an essential part of crushing these games.

[daven]

you must have posted the other hands after i opened your thread up.

ok.
QQ hand I don't like the 3b pre, and definitely don't like bet-calling that flop (spot the fr nit!). Like, his range is AdKx, AdKd, AA, KK right?

AsAc. 3b bigger oop? especially vs a 3x open? Flop is close. He beats AK, which means there is a lot in his range that beats you, but you beat AK, KQ, occasional club combo draws you're flipping or worse against. Dunno. Cooler I guess. I doubt i fold.

AQ and it looks good until the turn, i think you can fold to the c-shove tho and it would at worst be a tiny mistake, and i doubt it would be a mistake.

AdAs nh

KcTh nh

[kmind]

KK hand bet sizing - I figured he could bluff at a smaller bet on the turn as well as flat with JJ/QQ and we get stacks in on river

QQ - he's opening from the CO and had reggy stats so far. If it was truly UTG I'd hate b/calling as well

AA - yeah prop 3bet larger but it still isn't small and I am kind of toying with the idea that donks think 2.75 is a lot less than $3. Maybe it's selective memory but everyone keeps folding with I have AA (still yet to get it in pre this month)

AQ - I just felt with the NFD too I should be calling

Thanks Daven

[kmind]

Played a 500 hand 9 tabling session. Down $10 but up in EV. Here's the key losses. I think both are semi-fine. First one sucked that he got there. Second one I felt pretty committed. With the second one, I'm noticing some players floating me a ton. My cbet is very low because my cbet success% is very low. He's repping so little. Oh well.

Full Tilt Poker Game #23855509979: Table Farina (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:40:21 ET - 2010/09/13
Seat 1: kucamanunya ($27.66)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($25)
Seat 3: williamschraft ($13.40)
Seat 4: 5thandgirard ($31.29)
Seat 5: magnus-awesome1 ($31.89)
Seat 6: Buby2132 ($32.06)
kucamanunya posts the small blind of $0.10
SuitsUs posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Kd Kc]
williamschraft folds
5thandgirard calls $0.25
magnus-awesome1 folds
magnus-awesome1 stands up
Buby2132 folds
kucamanunya folds
SuitsUs raises to $1.25
5thandgirard raises to $2.50
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs raises to $6.50
5thandgirard calls $4
*** FLOP *** [Td 8h 7h]
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs bets $8
5thandgirard has been disconnected
5thandgirard has 15 seconds left to act
5thandgirard calls $8
5thandgirard has reconnected
*** TURN *** [Td 8h 7h] [Jh]
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs bets $10.50, and is all in
5thandgirard calls $10.50
SuitsUs shows [Kd Kc]
5thandgirard shows [Qh Qc]
*** RIVER *** [Td 8h 7h Jh] [2h]
SuitsUs shows a pair of Kings
5thandgirard shows a flush, Queen high
5thandgirard wins the pot ($47.60) with a flush, Queen high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.10 | Rake $2.50
Board: [Td 8h 7h Jh 2h]
Seat 1: kucamanunya (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: SuitsUs (big blind) showed [Kd Kc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 3: williamschraft didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: 5thandgirard showed [Qh Qc] and won ($47.60) with a flush, Queen high
Seat 5: magnus-awesome1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Buby2132 (button) didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #23855482522: Table Carmen (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 00:38:39 ET - 2010/09/13
Seat 1: spark929 ($38.39)
Seat 2: SuitsUs ($25)
Seat 3: SteveO-Malone87 ($24.65)
Seat 4: GirlsDream ($30.48)
Seat 5: donnie allin ($49.98)
Seat 6: KittyForLife ($26.33)
GirlsDream posts the small blind of $0.10
donnie allin posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Qc Ad]
KittyForLife folds
spark929 folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.85
SteveO-Malone87 calls $0.85
GirlsDream folds
donnie allin has 15 seconds left to act
donnie allin folds
*** FLOP *** [8h 8d 2h]
SuitsUs bets $1.25
SteveO-Malone87 calls $1.25
*** TURN *** [8h 8d 2h] [Qs]
SuitsUs bets $3
SteveO-Malone87 raises to $8
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs calls $5
*** RIVER *** [8h 8d 2h Qs] [Ks]
SuitsUs checks
SteveO-Malone87 bets $14.55, and is all in
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs calls $14.55
*** SHOW DOWN ***
SteveO-Malone87 shows [Th Kc] two pair, Kings and Eights
SuitsUs mucks
SteveO-Malone87 wins the pot ($47.17) with two pair, Kings and Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $49.65 | Rake $2.48
Board: [8h 8d 2h Qs Ks]
Seat 1: spark929 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: SuitsUs mucked [Qc Ad] - two pair, Queens and Eights
Seat 3: SteveO-Malone87 (button) showed [Th Kc] and won ($47.17) with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 4: GirlsDream (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: donnie allin (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 6: KittyForLife didn't bet (folded)

[daven]

I suggest that you post the biggest winning AND losing hands. Don't post results. Post the hands (converted) until the point where an important decision has to be made. Post your thoughts on the decisions. Get better. Sounds like the advice i should be giving myself...

KK hand i'd probably just shove the flop and rep AK. Turn is interesting. His range is made flushes, 99, 9x, JJ, QQ, AA - right or wrong?

QQ hand - you have to decide on the turn. You seem to want to think you're ahead, but not be prepared to pull the trigger. Shove turn or fold turn imo

[kmind]

Yeah I know I guess I was just posting coolers not to be mad but just in general to show myself it'll get better.

KK hand - yeah turn sucks and I agree...I don't think he has 9x unless it's 99 and yeah we're behind his range we should probably c/f but I get so weirded out when we barely have any money left in our stack

QQ - I thought I had him on the turn but he'd fold if I shoved which is why I was just basically c/c both turn and river. Really thought he had a mid-PP.

[bikes]

hand 1 is a redic ez c/f on the turn
hand 2 wtf are u doing on the river.

[kmind]

Agree in hand 1. Hand 2 I put him on a lot of mid-PP that he's turning into bluffs.

[kmind]

Finished a session for my coaching session. 15 minutes down 3 buyins. I played very poorly and ran into AK < AA for a full stack and AK < QQ vs a 40bb stack. And then this one guy ran extremely hot and some "fight fire with fire" strat did not prevail. Down on the month but going to get my shit back together.

[daven]

sounds like you're outplaying yourself dude.
also

Maybe it's selective memory but everyone keeps folding with I have AA (still yet to get it in pre this month)

does this mean you should be trying to get it in pre with AK? or the opposite?

and ran into AK < AA for a full stack

and if the goal is to make $$ at 25nl, then bbickes spake some sense

jfc you guys make 25nl way moar harder than it is. find fish and play pots with them. they are fucking everywhere. avoid getting into high variance reg wars that serve no purpose whatsoever other than ego stroking.

srsly i learned from mah good friend ge00fish, yeah u may have an edge on this reg who plays bad and u can make cool plays and what not but its much easier to just find fish and take their money when they dont make cool plays and make redic moves postflop and preflop. not that anyone makes redic lines postflop at 25nl.

srsly i see you guys talk about 4b bluffing and this is a great example of a concept that should be obscure at the micros. much like the double float or the double/triple c/r. yas its rly cool when these plays work but frankly if someone is 3bing liek 10%+ and on your immed left, get up and find a different table. no im not advocating massive bumhunting but its far moar +EV just to leave the table and find a different spot than risk getting tilted because of some high variance reg war and ruining a session.

[kmind]

I know the post. I just don't understand that I need to keep giving regs pots. If I am playing 14 tables then there will be many occasions where a regular is battling against me. IMO, I feel like I have a big edge over most. I'm not saying I am correct so feel free to correct me. I'm just saying how I view it but would love to switch views if I can be convinced otherwise.

As far as AK getting in preflop, I have only done it against looser fish/regs. in a BvB or button vs blind type of deal.

[bikes]

stop fkn 14 tabling.

[kmind]

Maybe. Only time it's really fun for me anymore. I also play way too loose if I don't.

[dev]

How big of an edge can you really have against regs if you're 14-tabling? Play against fish instead. Let the regs convince themselves that you're playing back and just show up with the nuts.

[kmind]

Yep. Probably am going to play like 6ish tables for a little. Thanks guys. I'm not trying to be a dick when I disagree I'm just stating how I view things which are probably wrong a lot. I'm looking to understand why my thinking sucks. I'll get there.

Thanks again.

[Da GOAT]

ive no idea why people 14 table. playin more than 6 is autopilot surely

[kmind]

12 buyin downswing. This is fun.

[kmind]

down another 2.5 buyins. Had a coaching session earlier in the day and seemed to be pretty good. I seem to always have something when the fish have something better. Or people will reraise in bad spots but actually have it. Trying to tone down my aggression and belief that people are competent at these stakes.

[daven]

sounds like you're outplaying yourself dude.
also

nit-camp for a while

[WeaselT]

Seriously I played 25NL regularly like 6-9 tables and my results went way up dropping to 4 and keeping it there. Just becuz u think you own it doesnt mean u dont have to think and can get away with autopilot. Slow down, take your time again. Realize who is is competent and who is not, not just stat based shit.

[Imthenewfish]

kay i think im a little late here, but in the thread where i said we don't really have a 4b bluffing range it was because we were utg (6m, but still), so our range didn't really have any hands that we could 4b because we don't really have a junk range. iunno i just dont like 4b'ing QJ or 22 from that position (pretty sur regs are 3betting tighter when we open utg than in the CO)

[kmind]

Yep completely done with 4bet bluffing for the most part. Also yeah 4-6 tables seems good. I'm dropping down to 10NL again for a bit. Ahhhh. The only problem now is that time is a factor and I might have to just take a full time job soon. Which I guess would mean bye bye poker.

[griffey24]

Yep completely done with 4bet bluffing for the most part. Also yeah 4-6 tables seems good. I'm dropping down to 10NL again for a bit. Ahhhh. The only problem now is that time is a factor and I might have to just take a full time job soon. Which I guess would mean bye bye poker.

Yah full time job is deifnitely a poker killer! Think I've gotten like 8k or so hands per month the last 3-4 months. laaame

[drmcboy]

Maybe. Only time it's really fun for me anymore. I also play way too loose if I don't.

I started just open folding QQ because I was playing it terrible.

[StarGrinder]

Yah full time job is deifnitely a poker killer! Think I've gotten like 8k or so hands per month the last 3-4 months. laaame

+1

Only 2.2k hands in August, dropped from 26k the previous month. 100 hour work weeks killz yo.

@ kmind - If you do get a FT job, don't force the pokerz unless you want an extended stay in downswing city.

[kmind]

griff - dammit. You used to play so much

dr - are you being serious or trying to instill something in me?

star - yeah def agree. But at least then I'll just be playing for "fun" I guess.

[drmcboy]

why is playing too many tables the only way you can not play bad? The fact that you just state it casually like it isn't ridiculous is even worse. I mean I hope you aren't paying anyone for coaching when you already know about this gigantic leak you're ignoring. In addition I don't believe for a second whatever this is it only happens when you have XX tables, that's just the only time you actually notice it. But playing a bunch of tables and grinding rake back is a good way to keep pretending it's not there.

No, I do not open fold QQ. (?!!!?) I was attempting to say something you couldn't possibly believe.

[jyms]

I have recently come to the conclusion that 6 tables is my max. I think that you need to find a new way to win kmind. The abundance of bad regs in the game are where the money is, and I think you need to find this out. You have been "running bad", "Playing bad" and just plain losing for quite a long time, and have some seriously good coaching and one thing remains, your not winning. Find a new way, give less tables a try for 10K hands.

[daven]

I hope you aren't paying anyone for coaching when you already know about this gigantic leak you're ignoring. In addition I don't believe for a second whatever this is it only happens when you have XX tables, that's just the only time you actually notice it.

coaching probably isn't worth it when you're playing 25nl and already know your major leaks...

[kmind]

Agreed. Thanks guys. I truly am playing much tighter now which I need to do when 4 tabling.

Thanks again.

[griffey24]

make a propbet with someone to play tighter.. that'll motivate you

[kmind]

Yeah good idea. Not sure how to measure that though. Anyways if anyone is interested in working on something of their own and wants to do a prop with me involving this let me know.

+1 buyin at my gfs with bad internet connection and barely any hands.

[daven]

if you're still keen when i get back i'll be up for some nittery prop-bet.
I'd quite like to manage to keep my vpip below 18 at full ring for a while...

[kmind]

you're style seems interesting but yeah man for sure...where are you going/how long? I forgot

[daven]

you're style seems interesting but yeah man for sure...where are you going/how long? I forgot

asia, back november

[Alexos]

make a propbet with someone to play tighter.. that'll motivate you

you just love nonsense propbet ideas.... Kmind don't do this lol.

And keep posting some hands.

[daven]

you just love nonsense propbet ideas.... Kmind don't do this lol.

And keep posting some hands.

shall we make it $500?

[griffey24]

you just love nonsense propbet ideas.... Kmind don't do this lol.

And keep posting some hands.

haha its not nonsense.. they work. I made a bet with you this month and I'll probably actually get to 20k hands.. no way I get there otherwise!

[kmind]

$500 it is .

I think a verrrry small prop bet is fine because it is working so far. Up 3 buyins since nitting it up.

I've been looking at the software forums at 2+2. You guys ever try NoteCaddy? I dled the trial and it's pretty sick. It automatically writes notes based on hands that went to showdown (as well as a few others like gives up in 3bet pots) for every player. Even hands we weren't in. You can edit/add/delete specific notes. I'm also trying out StackAndTile which stacks all your tables and once you have action on one it tiles it in an open slot. Pretty cool but having difficulty with it. Plus I stopped playing a bunch of tables so it's not too useful right now.

Also, my second coaching session is tomorrow with mdorand.

Going to try and grind to at least BE this month pre rakeback. But only with my "new style".

[daven]

$500 it is .

I think a verrrry small prop bet is fine because it is working so far. Up 3 buyins since nitting it up.

keep nitting it up and any size prop bet will be fine for ya dude.
I look forward to logging back in come november and seeing you crushing! Just don't start outplaying yourself again

also, haven't looked at either of those software things, will take a look sometime - cheers

[kmind]

Thanks daven. I'm completely serious when I say I envy what you are about to do with the whole Asia stuff. Very jealous. I sort of had a chance 2 years back and wish I had done it now. Have fun!

[kmind]

Started out the session up over a half buyin and then these hands. First is def. cooler (haven't been on the other side yet this month sweeeet) and second is a please god tell me it's a cooler.

Full Tilt Poker Game #24102020236: Table Palmer (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:33:38 ET - 2010/09/22
Seat 1: RoadRunnerCheck ($25)
Seat 2: houlepro ($11.98)
Seat 3: rengstarrr ($17.20)
Seat 4: bokarnoop ($25)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($26.48)
Seat 6: deserteagle09 ($9.71)
RoadRunnerCheck posts the small blind of $0.10
houlepro posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #6
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [Kh Kd]
rengstarrr folds
bokarnoop folds
SuitsUs raises to $0.85
deserteagle09 folds
RoadRunnerCheck has 15 seconds left to act
RoadRunnerCheck raises to $3
houlepro folds
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs raises to $6.50
RoadRunnerCheck calls $3.50
*** FLOP *** [Kc 7d Qs]
RoadRunnerCheck checks
SuitsUs checks
*** TURN *** [Kc 7d Qs] [Ac]
RoadRunnerCheck checks
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs bets $6.50
RoadRunnerCheck has 15 seconds left to act
RoadRunnerCheck has requested TIME
RoadRunnerCheck raises to $18.50, and is all in
SuitsUs calls $12
RoadRunnerCheck shows [As Ah]
SuitsUs shows [Kh Kd]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 7d Qs Ac] [Qh]
RoadRunnerCheck shows a full house, Aces full of Queens
SuitsUs shows a full house, Kings full of Queens
RoadRunnerCheck wins the pot ($47.74) with a full house, Aces full of Queens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.25 | Rake $2.51
Board: [Kc 7d Qs Ac Qh]
Seat 1: RoadRunnerCheck (small blind) showed [As Ah] and won ($47.74) with a full house, Aces full of Queens
Seat 2: houlepro (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 3: rengstarrr didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: bokarnoop didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: SuitsUs showed [Kh Kd] and lost with a full house, Kings full of Queens
Seat 6: deserteagle09 (button) didn't bet (folded)

Full Tilt Poker Game #24102307624: Table Palmer (6 max) - $0.10/$0.25 - No Limit Hold'em - 01:54:31 ET - 2010/09/22
Seat 1: RoadRunnerCheck ($62.55)
Seat 2: ElShari1 ($25)
Seat 3: MtAbe ($25.10)
Seat 4: bokarnoop ($41.26)
Seat 5: SuitsUs ($25.57)
Seat 6: deserteagle09 ($13.79)
MtAbe posts the small blind of $0.10
bokarnoop posts the big blind of $0.25
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to SuitsUs [2s 2c]
SuitsUs raises to $0.85
deserteagle09 folds
RoadRunnerCheck folds
MtAbe calls $0.75
bokarnoop folds
*** FLOP *** [2d Kh Td]
MtAbe checks
SuitsUs bets $1.50
MtAbe calls $1.50
*** TURN *** [2d Kh Td] [Qs]
MtAbe checks
SuitsUs bets $4
MtAbe raises to $12
SuitsUs has 15 seconds left to act
SuitsUs has requested TIME
SuitsUs raises to $23.22, and is all in
deserteagle09 stands up
MtAbe calls $10.75, and is all in
SuitsUs shows [2s 2c]
MtAbe shows [As Jd]
Uncalled bet of $0.47 returned to SuitsUs
*** RIVER *** [2d Kh Td Qs] [5s]
SuitsUs shows three of a kind, Twos
MtAbe shows a straight, Ace high
MtAbe wins the pot ($47.93) with a straight, Ace high
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $50.45 | Rake $2.52
Board: [2d Kh Td Qs 5s]
Seat 1: RoadRunnerCheck (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: ElShari1 is sitting out
Seat 3: MtAbe (small blind) showed [As Jd] and won ($47.93) with a straight, Ace high
Seat 4: bokarnoop (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: SuitsUs showed [2s 2c] and lost with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 6: deserteagle09 didn't bet (folded)

Not mad though. Grinded my way to finish only down $5.

Sleep - coaching - session is tomorrow's lineup.

[Alexos]

haha its not nonsense.. they work. I made a bet with you this month and I'll probably actually get to 20k hands.. no way I get there otherwise!

obv i wasn't referring to the hands propbet, rather weird stuff like keeping wtsd <26 or "playing tight" or weird stuff like that.

[kmind]

Yeah it's probably too tough to gauge what tight means. Basically I need something to keep me from flat out spewing. And at this stakes, it's not hard.

[kmind]

I really need to stop calling when I know I'm behind. B/f has 2 parts yet I forget the second part sometimes. Down a buyin in the last 24hrs in 2k hands.

Coaching session went well. He said he saw a lot of improvement in my play and he's a really nice person so it's been fun. He's changed my game a lot and it really focuses on the fish. My red line went way up for the few k hands but now has gone down since I started losing again. My won money at showdown line is lower than it should too which I think is variance (excuses!). Only 5 more hours to reach my 40hr goal for the month.

[jyms]

He's changed my game a lot and it really focuses on the fish.

I don't get this. You paid for coaching and he taught you how to beat $25NL fish? Your better than this, and really need to see the game for what it is. Your so far past over analyzing that your confusing yourself. I know, I was there.

[kmind]

No I mean it's more than just beating the fish and he taught me a few things to look at when regarding the fish that I never had done before. The guy's a +4BB/100 winner over a ton of hands. He's basically teaching me where to control my aggression vs. regs., how to exploit fish even more, table selecting, etc. Yeah some of this sounds basic but it's something I think I need right now.

Can you explain the "Your better than this...I know, I was there." part? Are you saying I just need to start getting back to the basics?

[jyms]

You know way more than enough to be a winner at $100NL. You need to get back to knowing that there are maybe 10% of the people at that stake that you should not be playing against on your left, and you shouldn't fear playing anyone on your right. Table selection is obvious, but as the fish dry up we need to find another way to win, and that doesn't come from memorizing anything. We need to follow action, take notes, find weakness's and places to exploit the 5K regular Tagbots playing with us. They re easily beatable because we have been tagbots in the past and have got beat over and over again.

Starting next week we are gonna do some railing and work it out. I don't claim to have all the answers but we have the time and the drive to play a ton of hands and make a go of it.

[kmind]

Down 2.5 buyins today. Up over a half buyin in EV though so that's nice. Not going to post reads or anything not really looking for advice but bah this month has treated me so unkindly. Here are my sigh hands of today in 767 hands.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($29.89)
Button ($55.04)
SB ($25.39)
BB ($25)
Hero (UTG) ($26.14)
MP ($8.93)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, K
Hero bets $0.85, 3 folds, SB raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $4.75

Flop: ($14.25) 4, 7, K (2 players)
SB bets $18.39 (All-In), Hero calls $18.39

Turn: ($51.03) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($51.03) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $51.03 | Rake: $2.55

Results below:
SB had 8, K (two pair, Kings and eights).
Hero had A, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: SB won $48.48


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($18.84)
BB ($30.36)
UTG ($25)
MP ($25.81)
Hero (CO) ($25)
Button ($21.13)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K, K
UTG bets $0.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.75, 3 folds, UTG raises to $6, Hero raises to $25 (All-In), UTG calls $19 (All-In)

Flop: ($50.35) A, 9, Q (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($50.35) 10 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($50.35) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $50.35 | Rake: $2.51

Results below:
UTG had Q, Q (three of a kind, Queens).
Hero had K, K (one pair, Kings).
Outcome: UTG won $47.84


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($24.08)
MP ($13.67)
CO ($20.72)
Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($25)
BB ($25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero bets $1.25, 2 folds, UTG calls $1

Flop: ($2.85) J, 5, 10 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $2.25, UTG raises to $8, Hero raises to $23.75 (All-In), UTG calls $14.83 (All-In)

Turn: ($48.51) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($48.51) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $48.51 | Rake: $2.42

Results below:
Hero had A, K (one pair, Kings).
UTG had J, 5 (two pair, Jacks and fives).
Outcome: UTG won $46.09


This is a clear fold once he 3bets me (which is what my rant above was about)
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($30.15)
SB ($10.54)
BB ($25)
UTG ($12.52)
MP ($29.32)
Hero (CO) ($31.23)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 2, 2
1 fold, MP bets $0.85, Hero calls $0.85, 3 folds

Flop: ($2.05) 7, A, 2 (2 players)
MP bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.05) J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.05) K (2 players)
MP bets $2.85, Hero raises to $7, MP raises to $19, Hero calls $12

Total pot: $43.05 | Rake: $2.15

Results below:
MP had J, J (three of a kind, Jacks).
Hero had 2, 2 (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: MP won $40.90

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($8)
UTG ($10.63)
MP ($39.99)
Hero (Button) ($25)
SB ($17.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 10, K
2 folds, Hero bets $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($2.25) 2, 7, K (3 players)
SB bets $2.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.25

Turn: ($6.75) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $6.75, Hero raises to $22 (All-In), SB calls $7.90 (All-In)

River: ($36.05) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $36.05 | Rake: $1.80

Results below:
Hero had 10, K (two pair, Kings and threes).
SB had 3, 5 (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: SB won $34.25

Still determined to get this back on track.

[kmind]

Alright won a few hands and am calling it quits today. Down a buyin. I'll take that considering how crappy the day went.

3.4 hours remaining

[Vi-Zer0Skill]

in that 22 hand where villain turned a higher set, fold to the river 3bet. unless he's really bad he's not going to have worse nearly as often as he'll have something better

the rungood always comes around if you're patient!

[Micro2Macro]

your biggest leak is being too results oriented

[griffey24]

your biggest leak is being too results oriented

+10

the mere sample of hands you post re-emphasizes this. You'd be 100x better off trying to find hands you coulda played better and taking the time to post those, than these ones.

Your goal is to post two legitimate hands per session. There are so many possible hands. Doesn't matter how big or how small. A legitimate hand means you think you could have even min-bet the river as a value bet and wasn't sure, etc.

[kmind]

Vi - yeah I know...not sure if you read my comment above the hand but I said it was a clear fold.

M2M/Griff - Not sure what you mean? I'm not looking for advice on these hands as I put. Just posted sigh hands. But do you still think this makes me results oriented?

I started this blog in hopes to just jot down what's going on as opposed to advice to be honest. Maybe I'll start posting some HH's but I feel like most advice is given either in the Short Handed or BC and then most of my bigger HH troublesome hands go to my coach.

[kmind]

Ok here's a spot I get troubled with. I isoraise a 33bb stack with like KT/KJo and then they min3bet. Are we always calling? I feel even if we flop TP we're sometimes dominated but stack sizes are so small I get it in. If I miss they cbet and I usually fold.

[jyms]

M2M/Griff - Not sure what you mean? I'm not looking for advice on these hands as I put. Just posted sigh hands. But do you still think this makes me results oriented?

The problem is the time it took to go through the hand histories, convert them, post them and comment is not only time that could be better spent, but it is time that you are dwelling in the "poor me" zone. Why don't you spend more time looking for mistakes, good plays and reads and post those for comment. Even if you did post them as sigh hands, nobody wants to come here to read that. We all give a shit about you and your game, and come here to read and try to help in any way we can. How long should people keep trying?

As for being results oriented, and I am not much to talk, but how much of this blog has been about anything but winning and losing. What would sigh hands be about other than losing and run bad? How many of your posts state how many BI's you are up or down?

[jyms]

Ok here's a spot I get troubled with. I isoraise a 33bb stack with like KT/KJo and then they min3bet. Are we always calling? I feel even if we flop TP we're sometimes dominated but stack sizes are so small I get it in. If I miss they cbet and I usually fold.

What's there 3bet/fold to 3bet stats? Are they passive or aggressive post flop. Are we IP or OOP. You know that this question is too vague? What's their range? What's ours? Are we getting odds?

what if I told you that we NEVER call to hit flops. DUCY?

[griffey24]

Ok here's a spot I get troubled with. I isoraise a 33bb stack with like KT/KJo and then they min3bet. Are we always calling? I feel even if we flop TP we're sometimes dominated but stack sizes are so small I get it in. If I miss they cbet and I usually fold.

This is tough. Some of these guys compulsively do this, and fold to jams. If you notice this, I would start jamming on them. Honestly, this may be bad, but sometimes I take the quasi-worst of it cause I'd rather just get them off the damn table!

If I saw them do this a few times and fold to jams I would start jamming. Otherwise, yah I'm calling and yah its lame folding everytime we brick, but they are giving us a good price. Even better price if we stack them when we spike our pairs.

[griffey24]

I agree with Jyms. I was mostly referring to the fact that it takes time/effort to post several bad beat hands. Why not just post the same hands you think you should send to your coach in your blog as well.

Can't hurt having more eyes look at it! (unless you think it can hurt, given what you said earlier, about people saying too many confusing conflicting thoughts and it messing up your game)

I don't disagree that that can happen. Several years ago when I started watching training vids it messed up my game hard, and got me off my style that was working cause I was trying to play the "right" way. You gotta do what works for you!

[kmind]

I understand what you guys are saying but honestly:

Can't hurt having more eyes look at it! (unless you think it can hurt, given what you said earlier, about people saying too many confusing conflicting thoughts and it messing up your game)

I don't disagree that that can happen. Several years ago when I started watching training vids it messed up my game hard, and got me off my style that was working cause I was trying to play the "right" way. You gotta do what works for you!

Yes. I feel like I can post some hands for advice and you guys would give great advice which I really appreciate but I'm sure it'd conflict with a few things my coach is trying to get me to work on etc. This is why I was hesitant to start a new blog because I truly didn't want advice. Most of you are much better than me I admit it's just that I can't get confused anymore.

As far as the strat question I posted just know that they are like 37/10 but have probably noticed me raising their limps a lot.

[Micro2Macro]

M2M/Griff - Not sure what you mean? I'm not looking for advice on these hands as I put. Just posted sigh hands. But do you still think this makes me results oriented?

yes

[kmind]

So here goes:

I'm weaktight as shit with AK ever since losing. The hand that is haunting me is vs. some guy I just double barreled and won a pot with like 2 hands prior. He's only been at my table for 8 hands and no real reads but I assumed he's a reg. because of his stack size and the way he played the double barreled hand (flats IP, calls cbet on 742r and folds to A turn very quickly). Well I open OTB with AK he 3bets 3x (.75 to 2.25). I'm always so...scared (yes fuck me)...to 4bet/get it in since my "losing streak". So yeah I flat and fold a stupid 4/5 flop bet.

Also NC State wins again. Bring on the Hokies. And yeaaaah we'll talk more about this game as it's my family vs. my gf.

[griffey24]

I don't mind flatting AK once in a while to 3bets, especially if ppl are 3betting very wide (lots of Ax etc).

But not 4betting AK will take out so many hand combos from your 4betting range. What hands are you 4betting?

[kmind]

QQ+ and (now) rarely having a 4bet bluff range tbh. Microstakes are def. different than higher stakes haha. That's a key thing I have been working on; don't have a 4bet bluff range unless they show me a clear reason to.