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    Default 600nl - our donking ranges 3way wit reg+fish?

    I usually play FR, but this hand is 6m

    UTG is a known reg: 25/20, 3b 9.3%, cb 80% over only 130hands
    SB is a fish : 37/11

    I think i usually c/c in these spots, but it ends up icky a lot. On this board i think he'll cb a lot with his Ax hands, so we prob get more value from a c/c, but i feel i end up foldin on later streets a lot.

    Thoughts on leading flop? What range should we be leading here, and what range should we c/c?

    Grabbed by Holdem Manager
    NL Holdem $6(BB) Replayer
    SB ($297)
    Hero ($600)
    UTG ($675)
    UTG+1 ($854)
    CO ($1,206)
    BTN ($664)

    Dealt to Hero 9 9

    UTG raises to $21, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $18, Hero calls $15

    FLOP ($63) 2 4 5

    SB checks, Hero bets $48, UTG calls $48, SB calls $48

    TURN ($207) 2 4 5 Q

    SB checks, Hero ?
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    I like donking here because it helps to define our hand more effectively. c/c Is something I prefer to do with stronger pairs, actually.
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    rr/fold vs utg to isolate fish

    postflop is fine if you c/f the turn
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    i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

    Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

    Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.
    I'm confused here.

    How do we have Qx and why do we think we can isolate the fish with a turn bet?
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    i was referring to the flop line, turn is a c/f as played with 99
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I like donking here because it helps to define our hand more effectively. c/c Is something I prefer to do with stronger pairs, actually.
    Yeah i tihnk i like a lead here. Assuming you like a c/c with stronger pairs because he'll bet a few times on these boards with Ax etc? (which makes c/c medium ones worse)


    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    i probably donk 100% of my range that isn't c/fing. Any pair, the best suited broadways that have bdfd and didn't rr pre (basically QJ/QT), big hands.

    Fish isolation is enough to make leading the dominant play here with almost any type of hand.
    Interesting, i think i donk only a small % in spots where i think the preflop aggressor will cbet. Guess here he might not because its multiway - are you assuming his cbet % will be quite low?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wakeup View Post
    Interesting, i think i donk only a small % in spots where i think the preflop aggressor will cbet. Guess here he might not because its multiway - are you assuming his cbet % will be quite low?
    Well, villain only cbets hands that play extremely well against our hand IP (the bottom of his cbetting range has 38% equity against us). Leading out gets him to fold his GSSD+overcard type hands, so now we have the effective button in a HU pot gets a fish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    rr/fold vs utg to isolate fish

    postflop is fine if you c/f the turn
    1) I'd probably just rr/shove since it's marginally -EV in a vacuum. Like the idea of rring to iso fish though.

    I'd probably just bet the turn again, seems better than checking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Numbr2intheWorld View Post
    seems better than checking.
    why?

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