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    @MMM i guess i should say that my experience is limited and i'm pretty much just comparing a mexican fender strat (rosewood) with a mexican fender tele (maple). i found that the maple seemed to be "smoother", for lack of better words, to play. particularly when bending, it just seemed somehow less resistant to my bends. though, i admit i was somewhat biased because maple looks sexier, and there's a good chance i was subconsciously "looking" for reasons as to why maple is better
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    Apparently, the speed of sound is different for each wood. Rosewood: 5,217 m/s; Maple: 4,110 m/s. Even though these differ much more than I would have guessed, it was a red herring.

    It doesn't matter because, apparently, the fretboard does not have a significant affect on tone other than to hold frets (which, arguably, has a dramatic affect on tone).

    The main differences in fretboard wood are looks and maintenance required.
    Ebony - very tight grain, requires no finish or upkeep
    Rosewood - medium coarse grain, requires regular playing so the oils from your fingertips naturally treat the wood. No special maintenance if the guitar is played.
    Maple - coarse grain, requires a clear coat finish to seal the wood. Must be frequently oiled to maintain clear coat, but if clear coat wears away, the dirt and grime that soaks into the wood will not change the tone.
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    hey MMM, u ever poast on harmony-central or TGP?
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    Havent read the whole thread but wasn't Illfavor a masters student in music or something like that?
    He'd probably know a thing or two....but I don't think he comes here anymore...
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    Quote Originally Posted by d0zer View Post
    hey MMM, u ever poast on harmony-central or TGP?
    I've never heard of either.
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    So I'm going back to the same venue I played at in April (apparently it didn't suck too bad). Funny thing is, it's a summer resort that, from what I understand, is totally packed during the summer. This isn't Labor Weekend, but right up to it, and I'm playing outside on this huge deck right by the water. Pretty sick life. I'm already sick with worry, that most of the music I play will be too slow and boring for what I'm picturing to be essentially a beach party.

    What are thoughts on really playing to crowd and throwing in what I think I kinda boring classic covers like Margaritaville and such at the end of the night? I do play a couple of popular sing-a-longs, but have avoided what I feel are the most overdone of these. Tbh, I actually really like the song, so long as no one screams the stupid ass shit about salt.
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    You are a performer. Have fun and give 'em what they want.

    If you find some songs boring, but still want to include them in your set, consider putting your own spin on them. I.e. do a cover that is less "true" to the original than what you're doing. Be experimental and find a way to play it that is familiar, yet new. Like speed it up, or play it with power chords or insert a ridiculous, incongruous solo into it somewhere, etc. There is really no end to how you can modify a song while still giving the audience something familiar.

    Or pick other songs. I'm positive you can find songs that have a similar vibe that you find less boring. The more you feel connected to the songs, the better your performance will be, after all.


    You can always take requests, but you may find that you can't play any of the songs requested. If you do this from the mic, that's uncomfortable, for sure. So don't use the PA to take requests if you don't have the charisma to say "sorry, no" repeatedly w/o losing the crowd.

    You can ask people in between sets if there's anything they'd like to hear. It's easier to deal with someone face to face when you have to admit you can't do what they want. The obvious outcome is that you will have a clearer picture of what your audience appreciates and you can learn some of the songs before your next set.

    I've seen people put 2 Jars out in front of the stage: One for tips and one for requests. The request jar has pencils and paper next to it. That way you can go through the requests w/o any personal interaction and also get a sense of how many votes a song is getting.


    As to the "so long as no one screams the stupid ass shit about salt" bit:
    IF you're going to play the song, THEN you gotta get over it.
    People are people and you can't be a hater over them enjoying your act... or you're just a douche. Don't be a douche.
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    it's not about the strings touching the wood. In an electric guitar most of the sound is shaped by the neck, the body adds some overtones but most of the sound comes from the neck. There's a lot more that goes into it besides what kind of wood it is. Just go by whatever sounds good to you.
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    I like the look of maple more in most cases, and usually maple is enameled which makes it easier to play faster, particularly for bass. I think rosewood tends to sound a bit better and it is usually not enameled, so there's a big difference in how it feels so it comes to personal preference. I guess I prefer enameled maple for bass and rosewood for guitar.

    Ebony is also super nice but its so costly that you only see it on custom work.
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    @oskar: Do you have any links or resources on the subject?

    I'm interested, but I couldn't find anything after a rudimentary google search.
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    Ebony also has a huge benefit of experiencing a minimal amount of swell due to variations in humidity and temperature. This adds years of longevity to the guitar, as other woods will come unglued faster due to the seasonal fatigue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    You are a performer. Have fun and give 'em what they want.

    If you find some songs boring, but still want to include them in your set, consider putting your own spin on them. I.e. do a cover that is less "true" to the original than what you're doing. Be experimental and find a way to play it that is familiar, yet new. Like speed it up, or play it with power chords or insert a ridiculous, incongruous solo into it somewhere, etc. There is really no end to how you can modify a song while still giving the audience something familiar.
    Thanks mmm. This is all good advice. I do play a lot of songs like "hey Ya" or "the boxer" in different styles than they were obviously intended. I'm not sure what it is about playing a song like Margaritaville that really bugs me, but I really like your idea of a request Jar because there are a lot of things that I can play that I might not play during my set. I'll try to see if I can work that in. Thanks a lot for setting me straight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    @oskar: Do you have any links or resources on the subject?

    I'm interested, but I couldn't find anything after a rudimentary google search.
    Nah I'm just talking out of my ass. I'd look for something like a guitar builders handbook.
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    The show went well last night. It's kind of an odd venue, and there was a lot of traffic early and less traffic late, which is the exact opposite of the last time I played there. People that hung around seemed to really enjoy the music, and people that didn't well, fuck them? I didn't notice anyone that was clearly annoyed by the music, but several groups came in and seemed to be looking for a bigger party or something? It just never really was that. We'll see how tonight goes. I have lots of different songs that I could play but I felt like put my best music forward to appeal to the audience... basically all the well-known songs, all the old-school country songs, plus the few newer country songs I know. It doesn't seem like I should change the sets all that much simply to play different songs, since it seemed to go well.
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    I found a decent article about electric guitar tone.

    Here's a sentence from about midway through, which pertains to our discussion about fretboard wood:

    "While I'm on the topic, the material used for the fingerboard makes an imperceptible difference in an electric guitar's tone (oscilloscopes cannot even detect it)."
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    I tried out the request a song jar tonight and the tip jar. I made $30 and played about five songs that I hadn't intended on playing and the crowd fucking loved it. Truly fucking epic madmojomonkey I owe you a fucking bottle of pricey scotch my friend.
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    Congratulations! I'm glad to play a role in your success/enjoyment, however minor that role is.

    Threatening me with whiskey (no matter how fancy) is really not helping your cause.

    I'm more of a gin/rocks man, Bombay Sapphire is my at-home favorite (kinda girly for a gin, but not too expensive, and a nice treat).
    I also greatly enjoy a neat Tequila or Mescal, which I'm more likely to get at a bar than a bottle for home.

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    I've just today signed up to an evening course in guitar repair and building. Gonna build me an acoustic!

    http://www.south-thames.ac.uk/course...%20Levels.html
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    So I've got more gigs coming up in the next month or two, and I've been wondering if it's time to some more equipment purchases.

    I've been strongly considering this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L1Compact

    Everything I read says it's amazing, and for the style of music I tend to play (plus being just a solo) it seemed like a great place to start. I'm sure I could go cheaper, but the ease of use (very small and light), quality of sound, and the fact that I can afford it now, makes me feel like I should pull the trigger.

    I'd love to hear thoughts, suggestions, and other things to add to this. I'd really like to add a pedal that allows me to mute and tune, as I feel I do this very unprofessionally right now (basically just staying amped and tune, or unplug - annoying sounds - and tune, or tune down the PA I'm using (not convenient) and tune). The reviews make it seem like it's easy to hear, so I'm guessing I won't need a seperate monitor? This is essential. There's nothing worse than not being able to hear myself play. Thanks all!
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    bit of a different genre but hey music is music is music

    just binked an audition for a section leader position (principal second violin, sounds pretty oximornic eh?) in a good German opera orchestra.

    i can't complain. the alternative is telling people i'm unempl.. err... a freelance musician.
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    You will always be happier and more confident when you have a monitor. Even if it's OK without one, it'll be better with one. The speaker sounds best when you're right in front of it... so you'll hear your tone best when you have a speaker pointing right at you.

    I mean, the bass player can get away without one (sometimes), due to the omnidirectional nature of bass notes (when the wavelength is longer than the distance between your ears it's hard to tell which direction it's coming from)... but for guitars and vocals, you want the speaker facing you.


    As for the tuning issue... there are options.
    The Boss TU-3 Chromatic Pedal Tuner (~$100) is popular. It auto-mutes the signal when you turn it on. Both of the guitarists in my band used one of these. Also, it's a Boss pedal, so you know it's quality and can take one hell of a beating.
    Similar is the Korg Pitchblack Chromatic Pedal Tuner (~$70). Which I know nothing about, but did a google search to see what was on the market. It also mutes the signal when you turn it on and is a Korg, which is a quality name in touring equipment.

    You can find a mute switch (generally used on microphones and sometimes called a cough switch) for ~$50. Which might be useful to you if you already have a nice tuner that you don't want to replace, and might have a use for the mute switch elsewhere.

    Of course, a mute switch is just a simple switch, so you could make one yourself with a little patience. The trouble you may find is making one that is silent when you turn it on and off (IDK, guessing). Then again, it's something you can almost definitely make with ~$5 worth of parts and an afternoon of free time if you have a DIY sensibility (again, guessing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingnat View Post
    I've been strongly considering this: http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/L1Compact

    Everything I read says it's amazing, and for the style of music I tend to play (plus being just a solo) it seemed like a great place to start. I'm sure I could go cheaper, but the ease of use (very small and light), quality of sound, and the fact that I can afford it now, makes me feel like I should pull the trigger.
    Another friend suggest I try the Fender passport (though didn't specify a number) or Peavey Escort System http://www.musiciansfriend.com/pro-a...able-pa-system. (?) Seems like options are endless...
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    @ kingnat

    i use a clip-on tuner on the headstock of my guitar if i'm jamming with a group or dont want to waste too much time. not as accurate, but cheaper than a tuner pedal. and you're not playing to a bunch of blind classical pianists, drunkards wont notice if your G string is a whisker sharp or whatever. may be worth considering
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    Just set-up and re-strung my guitar.
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    nice wilbur. funny you post that, i was just messing about with a bron y aur-like tune a few days ago in one of my forays into open G. how's the guitar construction going?

    edit: i mean brom yr aur stomp or whichever one the song in your post is based on
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    yah that was cool wilber. I learned the other one "bron-yr-aur" and was kinda baked watching yours being like "DO I know how to play this song? I don't even know" and turns out I don't because zep named two different songs pretty much the same thing

    god bless them.
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    I saw it on Marty Schwartz's channel on Youtube (all guitarists I assume know him, if not check him out - http://www.youtube.com/user/martyzsongs) - pretty easy tune if you can already do quick pull off's etc...

    Guitar building course is slow...once a week. Can't really do any of it at home as I don't have a workshop or the tools. Learning how to set up guitars is cool though. I can confidently sort out the action of any acoustic now. I'm going to slowly but surely set up all my guitars the way I like. The actual building my own full acoustic is gonna be like a 2 year project (unless I win a few million, stop work and buy a guitar workshop in the Bahamas).
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    hey folks so i recently acquired an epiphone "hound dog" dobro. very happy with the purchase except the intonation is slightly out and it's been bugging me. problem is, the instrument has a wooden "banjo-style", for lack of any proper description, bridge and thus does not have adjustable saddles like an electric. anyone know how one would go about helping this? or do i just need to take it to a luthier and have them do whatever they can do with the intonation by adjust the relief of the neck?
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    I've played with a guy playing this thing yesterday. I would say it sounds surprisingly good, but it didn't really surprise me. Plastic is awesome!
    And I really want one of these: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-FXksHfeDM

    But I'm sure they can make those much cheaper than they sell them for. I'll wait.
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    This is really very good song.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKZWtNAZE_s
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    I been playin' a lot more guitar lately. kinda polishing up a few of my "unfinished" tunes. feels good man.

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    That's a cool gif.

    It's not actually capturing the curvature of the strings as the guitar is played. It's an artifact of the fact that the digital camera scans across and down, like you would read a page. The string is moving as each individual pixel is being captured, but the pixels aren't captured simultaneously. The high velocity of the string and the relatively small space in which it vibrates makes it look like it's bent into dramatic shapes.

    The string IS curved, but not like that. Those curves are too close and too sharply curved. If the whole string were bent like that, then it would have 2 to 3 times the length as when it was at rest. This would increase the tension dramatically and the pitch of the string would swoop up when struck, and then glissando back down to the desired pitch as the note got more quiet.

    A guitar string is great for perpetuating this illusion, since it oscillates in a small space. Actually, bass strings are more dramatic in this effect.
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    I've played almost no guitar in the past two months... not even at home. I'm not sure the reason for this, but I'm hoping to set the ship straight. I was really motivated to get a facebook page or a website set-up but haven't been able to get much going. It seems like a facebook page is the easiest way to go these days, don't ya think? Sure it's limiting, but I don't really feel like I need much.

    It allows for easy creating of events and posting videos, photos and sharing them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingnat View Post
    I've played almost no guitar in the past two months... not even at home. I'm not sure the reason for this, but I'm hoping to set the ship straight. I was really motivated to get a facebook page or a website set-up but haven't been able to get much going. It seems like a facebook page is the easiest way to go these days, don't ya think? Sure it's limiting, but I don't really feel like I need much.

    It allows for easy creating of events and posting videos, photos and sharing them.

    next panty dropper song on the bb list of panty dropper songs to learn is bon iver - skinny love

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    failing that is ed sheeran - give me love

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    remove language insert music

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    I spend a bit too much time trying to sing songs by guys who sing so much higher than me, when my strength is the baritone bass range... The fact that I'll play Ed Sheeran and Johnny Cash in the same set is pretty rough on my voice.

    But love me some bb, so clearly i'll work all these out. Skinny Love I've tried before, but the real version is played in open C and so making it usable to play during an actual set is pretty tricky unless I want to have several guitars sitting around, which clearly I'm not up to that point... oh, and it's also a bitch to sing.

    But love me bb. i'll see what i can do.
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    Actually.. it's not even Open C... or at least not THE open C, probably some variant, but it's a pain in the ass to tune and an even bigger pain in the ass to sing. There's a reason nobody else sings that way...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kingnat View Post
    Actually.. it's not even Open C... or at least not THE open C, probably some variant, but it's a pain in the ass to tune and an even bigger pain in the ass to sing. There's a reason nobody else sings that way...
    That's why you cheat.

    http://tabs.ultimate-guitar.com/b/bo...e_ver3_tab.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    I'm aware of the cheat and I'm not a fan. There's something special about the fatness of a guitar when it's all tuned down.
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    Is this not to try and cop off with birds at open mic nights or similar? If so I don't think you're allowed to take too much artistic credit in what you do because otherwise you wouldn't be playing Skinny Love in the first place.
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    I (with a female singer) used to do a cover of Dilate by Ani DiFranco. That song is a pain because you drop tune the low E down to A. That's a massive drop and the string is loose and difficult to control. Obv, the string wont hold the tune very well without a 5 - 10 minute period of adjusting and tweaking. That has to happen both before and after the song... so it cuts a lot out of the set.

    I wrote a couple of solo pieces around that tuning so that I could spend ~15 minutes there. The singer I was working with even wrote her own lyrics over one of the pieces. So I had a middle set that included a guest singer. I took a break before and after to tend to the guitar.

    It worked, and the audience loved the extra vocalist.

    I went through low-E strings much faster than usual during this time. The constant re-tuning took its toll.


    ***
    Playing with that low A is loads of fun. If you (and Ani does) dig in with the pick and catch both low A strings, the lower A is so loose that it detunes and you get a nice dirty dissonance mudding out the bass... but it re-tunes itself over ~a second, so the dissonance goes away... like a low bass unison bend.
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    I went ahead and made a facebook page. Invited anyone I'm fb friends with who live in the area and/or fb friends who have been really supportive of me in the past. I tried not to just invite everyone, but maybe I should've. Even after only a few days, it's really interesting to see how many people various posts reach and such. I figure when people are looking to book acts they haven't heard of being able to go to a page that has "more likes" is better than one with "fewer likes". I also managed to get 15 likes from people that aren't friends with me by posting about playing a gig last week, and tagging the company that hired me, so I'm assuming people that heard me that don't know me found me that way, which is pretty fun. I plan to put up some sample playlists for shows I've done as well.

    and yes, i'm basically a social media noob.
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    STILL_mkd, the youtube thread is down the fucking hall... seriously.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...hlight=youtube
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    To get this back to actually playin' music a bit. I wanted to share an update on my facebook page experience in case it's helpful to others. I'm happy to say that my 'professional' facebook page appears to be reasonably successful so far.

    I "invited" all local people to like it, thinking that if we're friends on facebook and you live nearby you could have interest in attending a show or supporting me, and also anyone who was a supportive friend or family member who is unlikely to come to show but would be supportive. I figured having a larger number of likes is going to look better for venues who don't really know me (it's not like i've made a name for myself yet by playing gigs. So far I have ~150, idk how to qualify this as being bad or good, other than to look at other local groups. From what I can tell it compares variably to other groups/people that are fairly new.

    Shortly after making the page, I was able to book an outstanding gig at a lounge bar here in town that was mostly through a friend, but he recommended me to his friend who's the manager and she saw my facebook page and thought it was worth a shot based on what she saw and our mutual friend's endorsement. I played 3 hours with two breaks and made $150. I probably could've asked for more, but I'm not really doing this for the money and want to maximize the chance of getting asked back. The show went really well, and after a couple of weeks, i did get asked to come back again. 'Murica.

    I've tried "boosting" a few posts with just $2 and that kind of thing, it's been interesting to see how that impacts views and interactions. Basically it seems like it might get your page "out there" but it's not clear what impact it's really having in terms of increasing one's opportunities for more business and such.

    tl;dr professional fb page is pro.
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    Not sure how it works on FB, but reddit is banning people left and right for all kinds of vote manipulation so handle with care.
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    UPDATES DEMANDED!
    I haven't made much of a dent in the bb panty dropping list. My learned to play "When I was your man" by Bruno Mars, which might qualify. I've played two shows last month, three this month and two more for next month. Things seem to be really clicking as I've found the right niche market and can play for venues that enjoy the music I play.

    I still get extremely nervous before shows and I don't know if that's ever going to go away. I think playing more frequently might help.

    I'm playing a show tonight at a very popular bar located within a block of the College Game Day set that's put up for tomorrow, so the place should be hopping. I'm feeling like an idiot for not having some business cards made up. That's one of my next steps to help spread the word a bit. Snoochies.
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    Still playing 2-3 gigs per month, which is about all my schedule can handle. I've been managing to practice a bit more lately which I really like. It was getting to a point where the only time I would actually play guitar was when I was playing a gig, so I wasn't learning anything new and I wasn't getting any better on songs I already know how to play.

    I'm still using a songbook (pile of printed out tabs w/ lyrics) as a crutch because I'm worried about forgetting chords and lyrics. Playing 3-4 hours of music completely from memory is pretty intimidating but I'd like to work up to where I can play one whole set from memory. I think that would allow me to add a lot of other things to the performance.

    Thanks to bikes suggestion, I regularly finish my shows with Get Low which is pretty king.

    fb page seems to kinda function fine. I've been meaning to get business cards together for months and still haven't done it. I can't remember if I mentioned this before and I'm too lazy to look, but I'd like some to hand to people who want to book gigs and also some for tabletops. Essentially, two different types, but I've done neither up to this point. I'd like the latter to build a bigger audience for my gigs. People that come see me play tend to enjoy themselves and are complimentary but they don't have an easy way to connect to my facebook page or any future gigs.

    I'm still very interested in trying to write some original music but that hasn't happened at all. Not sure what to do to get that started/going.

    Any who, that's the update for anyone that gives a shit.

    TL;DR. Still playing regular gigs.
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    Not my cup of tea, but the guitarist is pretty damn fucking good, I hope that's you.
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    Not my cup of tea, but the guitarist is pretty damn fucking good, I hope that's you.
    Thanks man, yeah that's me. It's definitely not for everyone but there are a few songs that most people will like in there. Thanks for listening.
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    Thanks man, yeah that's me. It's definitely not for everyone but there are a few songs that most people will like in there. Thanks for listening.
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    I didn't listen to all the talky talky nonsense, can't stand radio interviews! I like this while it's just guitar and drums. Not a huge rock fan but I can appreciate it a bit more when it's instrumental. Good luck, hope you get success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ImSavy View Post
    So you're pandering to the public with the newest album?
    I'm not sure pandering is the right word but sure. We'll be offering the album as a free download. Haven't decided if we'll actually press anything but we're leaning towards not. Mostly we're just really enjoying what we're doing and want to share our music with others.
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    You're pretty tight as a band. A couple of things that stand out to me, and that's just because I've been hearing generic rock through the walls of rehearsal rooms for almost 2 decades now. For example at 6:52 the dundundundundundundun into the Kashmir/After Forever 3:2 riff at the end. That's something I would try hard to change up. It's an easy way to do transitions, but any time you have a riff a good question to ask yourself is: was this on Master of Reality, Nevermind or Physical Graffiti, and if yes, then maybe change it up a bit.

    I like the last song best. Because it's different.

    I think your guitarist comes up with the riffs, and he's playing the same 1+ (2)+ groove a lot, and then the drummer does the Sex Pistols God Save The Queen/ 100 other punk songs groove because that fits and from there it's hard to go anywhere.

    Am I too hard on you guys? I play in a really shitty band... So that's like how you can't be racist when you have black friends, right? There's something about rock guys that they listen to the same 12 bands for a lifetime. Am I on the right track? If this was a class I'd give you some Melvins, Fu Manchu and Fantomas as homework. They use all the same ingredients but they make it different enough to be exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    You're pretty tight as a band. A couple of things that stand out to me, and that's just because I've been hearing generic rock through the walls of rehearsal rooms for almost 2 decades now. For example at 6:52 the dundundundundundundun into the Kashmir/After Forever 3:2 riff at the end. That's something I would try hard to change up. It's an easy way to do transitions, but any time you have a riff a good question to ask yourself is: was this on Master of Reality, Nevermind or Physical Graffiti, and if yes, then maybe change it up a bit.

    I like the last song best. Because it's different.

    I think your guitarist comes up with the riffs, and he's playing the same 1+ (2)+ groove a lot, and then the drummer does the Sex Pistols God Save The Queen/ 100 other punk songs groove because that fits and from there it's hard to go anywhere.

    Am I too hard on you guys? I play in a really shitty band... So that's like how you can't be racist when you have black friends, right? There's something about rock guys that they listen to the same 12 bands for a lifetime. Am I on the right track? If this was a class I'd give you some Melvins, Fu Manchu and Fantomas as homework. They use all the same ingredients but they make it different enough to be exciting.
    All good input oscar, thanks. It's interesting because we actually changes our sound and the songs quite a bit from where we started because my wife and I have a thing called the sunday punk rock party that we do once a month or so in town and we wanted to try and fit with that group. So a lot of what your hearing is the dumbed down pop punk version of what we started as. Definitely will be changing that along the way.
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    I can really come off as condescending sometimes... I'm glad you didn't take it that way.
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