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  1. #28576
    A more moderate position would be that some colors are genetically less intelligent
    If you think your race is genetically more intelligent than another, that's "superior" and it's racism. If you think your race is more intelligent than another due to cultural reasons, perhaps quality of colleges, that's not racist.

    and an even less severe position would be that some colors are better at maths.
    Not racism. The Chinese are generally better at maths, that's due to their cultural methods of learning. Stating facts is not racism. There are plenty of studies that show Chinese children outperform Americans in mathematics.
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    Did I use the word racism on either case? Stop thinking about this in terms of your preconceived notion of racism, and you'll realize those are all things on the same spectrum.
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  3. #28578
    You were responding to my point that not everyone is racist. You implied that those things you said were "moderate" racism. You guys have lost the plot, I swear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Did I use the word racism on either case? Stop thinking about this in terms of your preconceived notion of racism, and you'll realize those are all things on the same spectrum.
    Racism is pretty binary. It is in fact well defined. Those things you said are not on the same spectrum. There is no spectrum. You're either racist or you're not. You either think your race is superior to others, or you don't. You either discriminate against people based on race, or you don't.

    Some racism is worse than others. If you're Chinese and sincerely think you're smarter than an African because of your genetics, fooled by the stats that show Chinese have a higher average IQ, that's not as bad as not giving someone a job because of the colour of their skin. But you're still either racist or you are not, based on the definition of racism and not what liberal minded people imagine racism to mean.

    My "preconceived notion" on what racism means is based on the definition. I'm quite the pedant when it comes to definitions, I wouldn't say something is red if it is pink.
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    Pink is a tint of red.
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  6. #28581
    Fine. Green then.
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  7. #28582
    Here's a better analogy...

    Racism is like a light switch with a dimmer. The light is either on or off, but there's also different levels of brightness.

    If you're stating facts, the light is off. So to say "Chinese are better at maths than white people" is perfectly fine because the data supports the claim.
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    Forget anyone ever said a word about racism. Let's talk about dickish behaviour towards people, that is based on race. There are varying degrees of it. We all do it to some extent, because we're built that way. The whole population does not have to be huge dicks for some parts of the population to be in a situation, where they are constantly having to deal with dickish behaviour. There may be a few bad apples that are responsible for some of the most dickish moves, but as an aggregate, even relatively mild behavior has compound effects. To combat the dick, everyone needs to take part. Not just to not be dicks themselves, but to not allow others to be either.
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    I appreciate what you've said about what you mean when you use the word racism, ong.

    That's not what I mean when I use the same word.


    I do not mean thoughts of supremacy. I mean any prejudice based on race.

    I often don't mean racism - per se - but bigotry in general. This is common public usage, and while I appreciate that there can be a better word sometimes, when we're embroiled in a world-wide protest about racial discrimination, I do not see any benefit to drawing a line between bigotry based on race vs. bigotry based on other tribal affiliations or nationalities. It's all the same BS, and in this context racism vs. bigotry is a distinction without significant meaning.



    Saying, "statistically, Chinese people are stronger at math than other nations' people" is not bigotry, IMO
    Saying, "That person is Chinese, and therefore good at math" is bigotry, IMO.

    Whether or not Chinese is a race is a fine distinction to make, but not really relevant to understanding how racism and bigotry are essentially the same thing, but with some nuance about the particulars.
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  10. #28585
    I sometimes get the feeling certain people would like to define racism in a narrow enough way so that it means they aren't racist themselves.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Wikipedia:
    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

    Merriam-Webster:
    1: a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
    2a: a doctrine or political program based on the assumption of racism and designed to execute its principles
    b: a political or social system founded on racism
    3: racial prejudice or discrimination

    Dictionary.com:
    1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human racial groups determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to dominate others or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
    2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
    3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

    Britannica:
    Racism, also called racialism, any action, practice, or belief that reflects the racial worldview—the ideology that humans may be divided into separate and exclusive biological entities called “races”; that there is a causal link between inherited physical traits and traits of personality, intellect, morality, and other cultural and behavioral features; and that some races are innately superior to others.

    Clearly there's a singular, unambiguous definition for racism, and it's that stuff right there and I'm definitely not one at all.
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    Dictionary definitions are of no use to us, here.

    Dictionaries only tell you how a word has been used historically, they don't tell you what the person you're speaking to or reading meant, only what others before them meant.

    Dictionaries are useful if you're learning a language, and want to have a guide for which words to use that will best convey your intended meaning.
    Dictionaries are useful when you're reading something and you have no access to ask the author their intended meaning.

    Dictionaries are useless when you're in a conversation with someone who is there to ask what they mean.


    Words are imperfect symbols of our meat-sack thoughts and feelings. All communication requires cooperation.
    Let's all try to cooperate by understanding what people mean, and asking for clarity when we're unsure.
    Let's not fabricate arguments from intentional misunderstandings or mischaracterizing what someone meant when we know better.
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  13. #28588
    Ok so we can just redefine racism to mean whatever we want so everyone can be racist.

    This actually sounds like a winning strategy, I like it. Dilute racism so much that it no longer means something bad.

    On another note, anyone want to know what badgers sound like when they fuck?

    RIP headphone wearers.

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  14. #28589
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    I sometimes get the feeling certain people would like to define racism in a narrow enough way so that it means they aren't racist themselves.
    Here's a question for you... what have I ever said that is racist? Can you actually recall anything? I'm gonna bet you can't. The best you'll muster up is "Islam", which of course is not a race. And I probably said some xenophobic things about Germany and/or France which is just banter.

    Convince me I'm racist. Take any of those definitions that cocco posted, and demonstrate how that applies to me. If you actually convince me, I'll have a word with myself.
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  15. #28590
    Clearly there's a singular, unambiguous definition for racism, and it's that stuff right there and I'm definitely not one at all.

    Those definitions all basically say the same thing... superiority and discrimination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Ok so we can just redefine racism to mean whatever we want so everyone can be racist.

    This actually sounds like a winning strategy, I like it. Dilute racism so much that it no longer means something bad.
    Far better than defining it to really mean no one at all, at least in their own minds. That's kinda how everything else works already. A person can be just a little bit of a dick, selfish, greedy, aggressive, lazy, mean, ignorant or liar, and it's usually fine. A society will always have some of those qualities, but hopefully not too much and the antonym qualities of those keep things in check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Those definitions all basically say the same thing... superiority and discrimination.
    There's 9 definitions and superiority is mentioned 3 times. The point I was making which should be abundantly clear is that there is no clear definition.
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  18. #28593
    I do not mean thoughts of supremacy. I mean any prejudice based on race.

    Prejudice and bigotry are both fine words to associate with racism. I appreciate "superiority and discrimination" is not the full picture.

    Saying, "That person is Chinese, and therefore good at math" is bigotry, IMO.

    This is a misuse of the word bigotry, because this isn't an intolerance. It's an assumption based on race, and is therefore prejudice, I'm ok calling this racism. But it's not bigotry.

    Words have meaning. Maybe I'm just more pedantic than you, but I feel it's important not to misuse words. If the word you're using isn't quite right, find a better word. The English language is diverse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    There's 9 definitions and superiority is mentioned 3 times. The point I was making which should be abundantly clear is that there is no clear definition.
    It's pretty clear to me. They all use different words to say the same thing.

    1. superiority
    2. systematic racism
    3. discrimination, intolerance, prejudice, bigotry, hate
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    Do you have any input on the actual discussion we're having? Thanks for the semantic spell-check though.
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  21. #28596
    We were talking about how everyone was racist last time I gave a fuck.
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    Still not input. Does this conversation make you uncomfortable?
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    People know that racism is bad, and people believe themselves to be good, so they conclude that they are not racist.
    (illogical: non-sequitur)
    Fine.
    ALSO
    People know they are flawed; everything they think can't all be correct; there there are mistakes in there. Unintentional mistakes do not make anyone a bad person.
    Unintended racial biases exist in our culture, and being a person who mistakenly believes things that are hurtful and unjust about race is commonplace to levels of absurdity.


    YES, I am saying that being racist doesn't make you a bad person, in and of itself. I am saying that this bold-faced lie about what racism is and how it manifests has allowed people who benefit from the systemic racism to avoid personal growth and change, which only perpetuates the injustice being delivered on a daily basis.


    Recognizing that the entire judicial system has been intentionally designed to vilify and criminalize black people isn't hard for anyone to accept. There are fucking quotes from past presidential advisors that clearly and plainly state that they were passing laws to do exactly that - to criminalize black communities without overtly stating as much. The practice of criminalizing the symptoms while spreading the disease is not a fairly tale, but a documented reality. Cocaine and Crack are the same identical drug. White people tend to use cocaine, and black people tend to use crack... yet, the difference in criminal penalties are different by a factor of 100. That is in no way an accident.


    I know you accept that as reality.
    What I don't understand is how you can then state that the system that is still in place, and has only expanded in munitions and reach with every president since Nixon has no bearing on your life, or benefit to you as a person. Or that your ignoring the reality of how this affects black communities doesn't warrant your attention and outrage.


    P.S. This is too long already, and I've deleted a ton of stuff, and re-read this a dozen times, and I'm just tired of trying to state this any more clearly than has already been stated.
    Feel free to criticize or ask any questions, but know that this is an imperfect statement of the situation, and that this topic is difficult at best.
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  24. #28599
    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Still not input. Does this conversation make you uncomfortable?

    Not at all. I find it somewhat ridiculous, and mildly amusing.

    My input is... not everyone is racist. The basis on which I form this opinion is the definition of racism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    My input is... not everyone is racist. The basis on which I form this opinion is the definition of racism.
    What percentage of people would you say are racist in the UK and the US?

    If it helps your calculations, the percentage of black people in the UK is 3%, around 13% in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Not at all. I find it somewhat ridiculous, and mildly amusing.

    My input is... not everyone is racist. The basis on which I form this opinion is the definition of racism.
    You don't get to tell other people what they mean, though. You can only be cooperative or uncooperative in the conversation.
    Choosing to insist that we are saying something we have repeatedly told you we are not saying is not cooperative, it's just being a jerk.

    Definitions FOLLOW meaning, not the other way around.
    Definitions are descriptive, not prescriptive.
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    Recognizing that the entire judicial system has been intentionally designed to vilify and criminalize black people isn't hard for anyone to accept.
    This isn't where we disagree. I know the system is racist. We disagree on the strategy to fight this.

    What I don't understand is how you can then state that the system that is still in place, and has only expanded in munitions and reach with every president since Nixon has no bearing on your life, or benefit to you as a person. Or that your ignoring the reality of how this affects black communities doesn't warrant your attention and outrage.
    Of course it has a bearing on my life. I'm made to feel like my rights are a privilege instead of, you know, rights. And I don't ignore the reality of this. It has my attention, and systematic racism does warrant my outrage. I want to tear the system down, but I'd only actually want to do that if there was a serious alternative. Anarchy is not a serious alternative, that will be an even more racist world.

    People need to come up with solutions. OK some departments have said they'll stop doing chokeholds and stuff. That's great. So more people will just get shot. It's a superficial measure. It doesn't deal with the systematic racism.

    We need political change. In USA, that means breaking the two-party system. In the UK, it means breaking the two-party system. This is a political problem, but the politicians don't want us to realise that and prefer us to think this is a racial problem. They have actively created the conditions to foster racial problems.

    I'm not seeing solutions. I'm seeing further division.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    What percentage of people would you say are racist in the UK and the US?

    If it helps your calculations, the percentage of black people in the UK is 3%, around 13% in the US.
    Is that your idea of my providing input? Pulling a number out of my arse?

    Ok, I'll bite. Probably around 5% in the UK. In the USA I couldn't even guess, but I will. 10%.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This isn't where we disagree. I know the system is racist. We disagree on the strategy to fight this.



    Of course it has a bearing on my life. I'm made to feel like my rights are a privilege instead of, you know, rights. And I don't ignore the reality of this. It has my attention, and systematic racism does warrant my outrage. I want to tear the system down, but I'd only actually want to do that if there was a serious alternative. Anarchy is not a serious alternative, that will be an even more racist world.

    People need to come up with solutions. OK some departments have said they'll stop doing chokeholds and stuff. That's great. So more people will just get shot. It's a superficial measure. It doesn't deal with the systematic racism.

    We need political change. In USA, that means breaking the two-party system. In the UK, it means breaking the two-party system. This is a political problem, but the politicians don't want us to realise that and prefer us to think this is a racial problem. They have actively created the conditions to foster racial problems.

    I'm not seeing solutions. I'm seeing further division.
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    Anyway, today's "picture of the day" award goes to...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Is that your idea of my providing input? Pulling a number out of my arse?

    Ok, I'll bite. Probably around 5% in the UK. In the USA I couldn't even guess, but I will. 10%.
    Just wanted to gauge how prevalent you see racism being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CoccoBill View Post
    Just wanted to gauge how prevalent you see racism being.
    Amongst normal people, not very. Depends though, I mean if we're going to start calling anyone who opposes excessive immigration "racist" then there's a lot more racists. But no longer does the word "racist" mean something bad.

    USA I really don't know. Maybe it's a lot worse than it is here, then again maybe it's not and the Trump twats are just made to look racist by politicians who want to keep us divided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I mean if we're going to start calling anyone who opposes excessive immigration "racist" then there's a lot more racists. But no longer does the word "racist" mean something bad.
    You don't have to be racist to oppose immigration - but it helps.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Guess he forgot he was there to protect the statues, not whizz on them.

    https://twitter.com/i/events/1272476936892149761
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    You don't have to be racist to oppose immigration - but it helps.
    You weren't careful with your language like me. I said "excessive immigration", which of course is subjective, but it's an important caveat. Honestly, if someone opposes all forms of immigration, I don't expect them to be able to explain why without saying "focking".

    But yeah, you're right. Racism is clearly a motive for some people who oppose immigration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You weren't careful with your language like me.
    No I deliberately left the word 'excessive' out because it's subjective, and you'd have a hard time finding two people who agree on an exact number of how many immigrants qualifies as excessive.

    However, I would contend that the more racist one is, the smaller a number of immigrants has to be to be considered excessive, assuming they come from an 'other colour' place. It's not a perfect causal relationship (you can oppose immigration on all kinds of non-racist grounds), but it has an influence.

    Just to anticipate your next bit of pedantry, if someone opposes Polish or other 'white country' immigration to the UK, or opposes immigration based on religious or other beliefs, they are not by definition racist. But they may still be prejudiced, which is pretty much the same thing described using a less ugly word.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    Just to anticipate your next bit of pedantry, if someone opposes Polish or other 'white country' immigration to the UK, or opposes immigration based on religious or other beliefs, they are not by definition racist. But they may still be prejudiced, which is pretty much the same thing described using a less ugly word.
    I do like how you slip "religious beliefs" in here. You're entitled to disagree all you like, but I don't believe hating an oppressive religion is something to be ashamed of. #WomensLivesMatter #HomsexualLivesMatter
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I do like how you slip "religious beliefs" in here. You're entitled to disagree all you like, but I don't believe hating an oppressive religion is something to be ashamed of. #WomensLivesMatter #HomsexualLivesMatter
    Judeaism practices male genital mutilation. But I don't hate them.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    This does not seem like progress.

    Does Johnson not think there's enough for us to be disappointed about with his shit handling of CV?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...droidApp_Tweet
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
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    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Judeaism practices male genital mutilation. But I don't hate them.
    They should probably stop doing that.

    I don't hate Muslims, and I don't hate Jews.

    By the way, the Guardian is paywalled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    By the way, the Guardian is paywalled.
    It's literally the only major newspaper that is not paywalled in any way.
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    wtf am I tripping? I clicked it and was paywalled. Now I click it and I'm not.
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  44. #28619
    What the fuck is going on in France? Fighting between Chechens and North Africans in Dijon.

    https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/stat...76756017434624

    ^ hardcore footage, car at full speed probably trying to escape, flips, mob run to the car and throw stones. Clip cuts short but apparently the driver is killed.
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    wtf am I tripping? I clicked it and was paywalled. Now I click it and I'm not.
    I tired again out of curiosity. It's telling me to sign up for free to continue reading.

    Ok I'm freewalled.
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    Here's why they got the name "Bovver boys"...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovver_boot
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    Anti-white racism is a scourge of humanity.

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    I mean... letting a white woman be "kinda hungry" like that. Such disrespect!


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    I mean, it's total bullshit to be blaming the cops for a lot of the shit they're getting blamed for. Banning choke holds is a good move, but it completely fails to address the actual problem that police are trained to respond to violent crimes, and are tasked to respond to all manner of non-violent crimes. I'm pretty sure that if I put someone in a choke hold, that's already a crime. No need to make it specifically a crime for police, just remove the fact that police are immune from committing that crime without a criminal investigation. Same as is already true for everyone else.

    It's totally missing the point to be passing police reforms when the problem is the laws that police have the job to enforce.

    It's totally missing the point to know all the intentionally race-targetting laws that have been admitted to be such by the people who wrote and supported those laws, and yet to keep those laws and place restrictions on how police enforce them.

    It's totally missing the point to be looking at police as the source of the problem, even though there are a lot of problems with policing that need to also be addressed. Qualified Immunity is a travesty of justice. If you want to reform the police, then placing new restrictions on them is not the answer. Making them accountable to the same laws as the rest of us is the answer.

    I'm in favor of diverting police funds to other forms of social intervention. I'm in favor of demilitarizing the police, but perhaps not demilitarizing special units like SWAT teams. There are heavily armed criminals, they're just not the norm. I do not want police to be killed by criminals any more than I want non-violent criminals killed by police.
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  52. #28627
    I just got called a "racist" on Twitter by a British born Asian living in NZ, because I said I'd love to leave the UK for NZ. This guy also tweeted that "we need to be xenophobic to white British people" becausr two British idiots didn't quarantine upon arrival in NZ.

    There are a LOT of people on Twitter who hate both the British and racists. It's an interesting position to hold, especially for a Brit.
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    That sucks ong. What an asshat.
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  54. #28629
    It doesn't suck, it's fucking hilarious. This guy doesn't seem to want British people to move to NZ, even though he did exactly that. He thinks white British people are racist by default, which makes him racist. He stopped talking to me when I pointed out his hypocrisy, simply saying "if you stop reading my tweets, you won't be annoyed", and withdrawing from the discussion.

    Comedy gold.
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    I did not know it was physically possible to play like this.

    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  56. #28631
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    Anti-white racism is a scourge of humanity.
    Was waiting for the part where she said "So I drew my weapon..."
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    It's totally missing the point to be passing police reforms when the problem is the laws that police have the job to enforce.

    It's totally missing the point to know all the intentionally race-targetting laws that have been admitted to be such by the people who wrote and supported those laws, and yet to keep those laws and place restrictions on how police enforce them.
    I don't think you can look at how police all over america and some parts of europe have handled BLM protests and think this is a question of policy. They enjoy what they're doing, and they think it's the right thing to do.

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  58. #28633
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I just got called a "racist" on Twitter by a British born Asian living in NZ, because I said I'd love to leave the UK for NZ.
    Does not compute. Feel like part of the story is missing here.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This guy also tweeted that "we need to be xenophobic to white British people" becausr two British idiots didn't quarantine upon arrival in NZ.
    Pffft, what a turd.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    There are a LOT of people on Twitter who hate both the British and racists. It's an interesting position to hold, especially for a Brit.
    I saw a photo from some protest where a sign was being held up saying "The British invented racism." I mean, are you fucking kidding me?

    What would be nice though is if the gov't actually took serious steps to reform the police here, not appoint a commission headed by someone who doesn't believe there's a problem in the first place. That would probably help our reputation somewhat.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  59. #28634
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    He stopped talking to me when I pointed out his hypocrisy, simply saying "if you stop reading my tweets, you won't be annoyed", and withdrawing from the discussion.
    what's his @ ?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  60. #28635
    I can feel some sympathy for a good cop who's taking mild abuse on behalf of all the bad cops. That's basically a form of prejudicial treatment which is unfair.

    That said, I agree with Mojo that cops need to start being held accountable, need to stop owning military grade weapons (apart from SWAT, though even they probably don't need tanks), and have to stop hiding behind the 'it's a dangerous job so it's ok to be an asshole' excuse and be held to the same laws as everyone else.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I did not know it was physically possible to play like this.
    There are rare occasions where I want a classical guitar again... I borrowed mine to a friend who I haven't seen in over a decade.

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  62. #28637
    And oh yeah, don't send the cops to deal with someone having mental health issues, unless they're posing an imminent threat to others.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  63. #28638
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    There are rare occasions where I want a classical guitar again... I borrowed mine to a friend who I haven't seen in over a decade.
    Yeah I've been practising quite a bit since lockdown. Want to learn Malaguena but don't think I'll be playing it like that guy anytime soon.

    Nice thing now is a lot of free sheet music out there - you can pretty much find anything you want.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    I did not know it was physically possible to play like this.
    Dude, you're in for a world of joy if you're only just learning about classical guitar.

    Look for some Andres Segovia videos.

    Also find some Assad Brothers videos. I saw them live in the late 90's and they blew my mind.
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  65. #28640
    Does not compute. Feel like part of the story is missing here.
    He took a look at my timeline and saw me baiting a Katie Hopkins hater. But he didn't even consider the context. There were two tweets, one to a guy slagging her off for having sex in a field, which I mocked, and another one where I applaud someone for finding legitimate reasons to be outraged by her. He of course ignored the latter one.

    I saw a photo from some protest where a sign was being held up saying "The British invented racism." I mean, are you fucking kidding me?
    I saw that. There's a lot more to this though. The guy who held that banner received a torrent of abuse by people who wrongly assumed he was the guy who burned the Union Jack on the Cenotaph. So while his sign was fucking stupid, he did experience racism as a result.

    Obviously racism is older than any nation on the planet.

    What would be nice though is if the gov't actually took serious steps to reform the police here, not appoint a commission headed by someone who doesn't believe there's a problem in the first place. That would probably help our reputation somewhat.
    Our reputation is in tatters because of our colonial history. People still hate the UK because of the British Empire. I really don't know if our police needs reform, probably it does but it's not as pressing as the situation in USA. Our cops don't deserve to be compared to theirs.


    what's his @ ?
    @fascismdad

    I've already cleaned up my timeline, so you won't get the context of our convo, but I assure you I said nothing racist. He accused Britain of stealing Maori land (fair), and then lied saying he's a Maori when I suggested he occupies stolen land and should accept his shame. Elsewhere on his timeline he suggests he's white, but also his son's surname is Singh. Good chance he's trolling at times, but his anti-British views are clear.

    I can be a troll myself, and enjoy baiting people, but I'm very careful not to say anything I believe to be racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poopadoop View Post
    Yeah I've been practising quite a bit since lockdown. Want to learn Malaguena but don't think I'll be playing it like that guy anytime soon.

    Nice thing now is a lot of free sheet music out there - you can pretty much find anything you want.
    I can't read music no good. I mostly use the loop function on chordify.net. It's very convenient. Half the time I just use YT ever since I learned that the left arrow will go back 5 seconds.

    scribd.com has a ton of classical sheet music.
    songsterr.com is almost what the guitar pro songbook used to be before they took it down... The GP transcriptions are all still there, they're just less convenient to find.
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  67. #28642
    Cops should definitely be subject to the same laws as everyone else. The ONLY concession I would say is fair is to not throw accused cops in normal jails while they await trial. That's exceptionally risky and if they are innocent, it's very bad if they get attacked in prison. If they aren't innocent, they get what they deserve. But the courts have to do their thing, until then cops should probably be held in police station cells where they are safe.
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  68. #28643
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Dude, you're in for a world of joy if you're only just learning about classical guitar.
    I've been playing since i was 7.

    Segovia, Pepe Romero and Pacu de Lucia are my favourites.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  69. #28644
    Fuck me, this guy who hates the British because of the two people who failed to quarantine...

    Editors note: they're not British, they've just come from there.
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  71. #28646
    Expand that last tweet to get the full string.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post

    I saw that. There's a lot more to this though. The guy who held that banner received a torrent of abuse by people who wrongly assumed he was the guy who burned the Union Jack on the Cenotaph. So while his sign was fucking stupid, he did experience racism as a result.
    So he managed to fulfill his own self-fulfilling prophecy and now is probably making an ever bigger ass of himself. Great.



    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Our reputation is in tatters because of our colonial history. People still hate the UK because of the British Empire. I really don't know if our police needs reform, probably it does but it's not as pressing as the situation in USA. Our cops don't deserve to be compared to theirs.
    I don't think the cops are as bad as in the US, but that's not really a standard we want to compare ourselves to. I've had more than one black student in the past tell me they've been harassed by cops for no reason.


    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    @fascismdad
    Yeah he seems pretty toxic. Think I'll give him a pass.
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  73. #28648
    Quote Originally Posted by oskar View Post
    I can't read music no good. I mostly use the loop function on chordify.net. It's very convenient. Half the time I just use YT ever since I learned that the left arrow will go back 5 seconds.

    scribd.com has a ton of classical sheet music.
    songsterr.com is almost what the guitar pro songbook used to be before they took it down... The GP transcriptions are all still there, they're just less convenient to find.
    Do you use the TAB thing where it tells you where to put which finger, or just try to copy what you're looking at/copy it by ear?
    I just think we should suspend judgment on Boris until we have all the facts through an inquiry, police investigation, and parliamentary commission...then we should explode him.
    also,
    I'd like to be called Lord Poopy His Most Gloriously Excellent.
  74. #28649
    I don't think the cops are as bad as in the US, but that's not really a standard we want to compare ourselves to. I've had more than one black student in the past tell me they've been harassed by cops for no reason.

    Fair enough, but even compared to the civilised world our cops are mild. In fact, from what I can tell, this is the list of nations with unarmed cops...

    UK
    New Zealand
    Iceland
    Norway

    So I'm not sure what reform we need. More accountability, but that's not really reform, that's applying laws that already exist.
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  75. #28650
    I missed out the Maldives. I was looking at a map, a tiny Indian Ocean nation is easy to miss.
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