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  1. #1

    Default Fold and move on?

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

    Hero (t1355)
    Button (t1975)
    SB (t1525)
    BB (t1460)
    UTG (t1300)
    UTG+1 (t1825)
    MP1 (t1430)
    MP2 (t1235)
    MP3 (t1395)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with 5, 5.
    UTG calls t50, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, 1 fold, Hero calls t50, Button calls t50, 1 fold, BB checks.

    Flop: (t325) 6, 5, 4 (6 players)
    BB bets t200, UTG raises to t450, UTG+1 calls t450, MP2 calls t450,

    Hero ?????
    pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
    1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
    2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway
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    if you push and expect two callers, it is profitable. but i probably just fold.
  3. #3
    This board is just so well coordinated and there's such a good chance 3 out of those 4 opps are going to call your push. If you are a 40% favorite against 3 opps i'd consider that an opptomistic estimate.

    If someone has an over pair, if someone has a flush draw, and someone else has an OESD, your set is the best hand but not better than the other 3 combined... I would just fold it, someone is going broke this hand, you dont want it to be you.
  4. #4
    I fold this. The action before you is ridiculsouly ugly and you are probably defeatedzor.
  5. #5
    Well just to discuss something, here's the showdown.

    BB has 2d 3s (straight, six high).
    UTG has Td Kd (high card, king).
    Hero has 5d 5h (three of a kind, fives).

    I was hoping to be vs. a bunch of draws so I didn't mind pushing. Atleast I would be drawing to the nut full house too.

    vs. OESD & Flush Draws
    Code:
    http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1206505
    pokenum  -h 5d 5h  - 7s ad  - kd td  -- 6d 5s 4d 
    Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 5s 6d 4d
    cards  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
    5d 5h  555  61.46   336  37.21   12  1.33  0.619
    7s Ad  153  16.94   738  81.73   12  1.33  0.174
    Kd Td  183  20.27   708  78.41   12  1.33  0.207
    I didn't have those percentages running through my head, but I figured I'm ahead by a bunch, even combined. Like Gabe said, 2 callers is probably profitable if they are just drawing.

    But w/the straight...
    Code:
    http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1206467
    pokenum  -h 5d 5h  - 3d 2s  - td kd  -- 6d 5s 4d 
    Holdem Hi: 903 enumerated boards containing 5s 6d 4d
    cards  win   %win  lose  %lose  tie  %tie     EV
    5d 5h  322  35.66   557  61.68   24  2.66  0.365
    2s 3d  354  39.20   525  58.14   24  2.66  0.401
    Kd Td  203  22.48   676  74.86   24  2.66  0.234
    pulling a courtiebee pŏŏl-ĭng ā kôrt-ē-bē (verb phrase):
    1. overvaluing mid pocket pairs
    2. knowing you should fold, but donkishly calling or raising anyway

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