[12:59:15 AM] Fdog: "sin" isn't "a bad thing". "sin" literally means "to miss the mark", so it would be doing something god doesn't want you to do, or not doing something god wants you to.
[12:59:25 AM] Fdog: and not all sins require phsyical action
[12:59:30 AM] zilla: sure
[12:59:42 AM] zilla: okay
[12:59:45 AM] zilla: child born
[12:59:53 AM] zilla: at the second he is born
[12:59:55 AM] zilla: he is a sinner
[12:59:55 AM] zilla: t/f
[1:00:05 AM] Fdog: t
[1:00:08 AM] zilla: why
[1:00:47 AM] Fdog: "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god".
[1:00:55 AM] Fdog: it's in his nature to sin
[1:01:00 AM] Fdog: so it doesn't matter if he hasn't done it yet
[1:01:13 AM] Fdog: it's like... if an animal is born but hasn't yet eaten meat, you'd still consider it a carnivore
[1:01:19 AM] zilla: this doesnt make any fuckign sense at all whatsoever
[1:02:00 AM] Fdog: ^ not even that?
[1:02:03 AM] zilla: that makes sense
[1:02:06 AM] zilla: but its a logical fallacy
[1:02:13 AM] zilla: and a pretty common one at that
[1:02:35 AM] zilla: its called an assumption
[1:03:24 AM] zilla: just because
[1:03:33 AM] zilla: a trex is born from another trex
[1:03:37 AM] zilla: does not mean that it will eat meat
[1:03:46 AM] zilla: it is likely it will eat meat
[1:03:53 AM] zilla: but that does not gaurntee that it eats meat
[1:04:02 AM] zilla: this is the reason gravity is a theory
[1:04:10 AM] zilla: because if ever gravity doesnt happen it disproves it.
[1:04:32 AM] Fdog: ok, except that if god said it, it's truth
[1:04:36 AM] Fdog: and it won't ever not happen
[1:04:43 AM] zilla: that is so dumb
[1:05:09 AM] zilla: that is your ace in the hole
[1:05:11 AM] zilla: your out to everything
[1:07:14 AM] Fdog: it's not an out
[1:08:15 AM] zilla: it is absolutely an out
[1:08:57 AM] zilla: what if god said in the bible
[1:09:00 AM] zilla: that 2+2=5
[1:09:09 AM] Fdog: god's not retarded so that wouldn't happen?
[1:09:18 AM] zilla: this is such a fucking stupid arguement
[1:09:29 AM] zilla: because no matter what logical arguement i make
[1:09:31 AM] zilla: your answer is
[1:09:34 AM] zilla: no because of god
[1:09:54 AM] Fdog: ok because you can't make hypothetical statements that would never happen
[1:09:59 AM] zilla: okay
[1:10:02 AM] zilla: for whatever reeason
[1:10:04 AM] zilla: at the end of the bible
[1:10:06 AM] zilla: it said
[1:10:11 AM] zilla: and god said 2+2=5
[1:10:19 AM] zilla: who would be wrong
[1:10:29 AM] zilla: everyone in the world who beleives 2+2=4
[1:10:30 AM] zilla: or god
[1:10:35 AM] Fdog: it wouldn't say that!
[1:10:35 AM] zilla: everyone int he world
[1:10:38 AM] zilla: IF IT DID
[1:10:40 AM] zilla: ARE YOU FUCKING STUPID
[1:10:42 AM] Fdog: BUT IT CAN'T
[1:10:49 AM] zilla: pretend it did.
[1:10:51 AM] zilla: who is wrong
[1:10:52 AM] zilla: the bible
[1:10:54 AM] Fdog: i can't
[1:11:00 AM] zilla: that is such a bullshit reason
[1:11:04 AM] zilla: are you not capable of imagination
[1:11:18 AM] Fdog: i'm not capable of changing god's character
[1:11:25 AM] zilla: you cant imagine
[1:11:31 AM] zilla: that the bible said 2+2=5 at the end of it
[1:11:36 AM] zilla: are you serious
[1:11:43 AM] zilla: even kids can pretend books have shit written in them tehy dont
[1:11:47 AM] zilla: are you seriously uncapable of that
[1:11:51 AM] zilla: you are that fucking stupid?
[1:13:11 AM] Fdog: it's not that i can't imagine it. it's that no matter how i answer you'll pull up another argument and the argument will be pointless because it will be based on fallacy. then you'll attribute it with factual weight in order to defend your position.
[1:13:25 AM] zilla: then humor me
[1:13:44 AM] Fdog: no
[1:13:56 AM] Fdog: i'm pretty sure i do that often enough
[1:13:59 AM] Fdog: like for the past hour
[1:14:14 AM] zilla: youll humor me one everything but this
[1:15:03 AM] Fdog: ok, fine. if god said that 2+2=5 then it would be true. which, really, is fine because there are a lot of things about god that i don't understand because there's a reason he's god and i'm not
[1:15:43 AM] zilla: so everyone in the world
[1:15:47 AM] zilla: who believes 2+2=4
[1:15:49 AM] zilla: would be wrong
[1:15:56 AM] Fdog: sure
[1:15:58 AM] zilla: and 1+2=3.5
[1:16:11 AM] Fdog: if it's in the bible
[1:16:20 AM] zilla: and you dont see anything wrong with that
[1:16:37 AM] Fdog: i see everything wrong with that because it's a stupid situation because you made it up!
[1:17:06 AM] zilla: lets say i didnt make it up
[1:17:10 AM] zilla: that the bible really said that
[1:17:21 AM] zilla: would you continue to believe in god
[1:17:29 AM] zilla: despite your knowledge of our math system and how it works
[1:17:42 AM] Fdog: this is ridiculous
[1:17:45 AM] zilla: humor me
[1:17:46 AM] zilla: im almsot done
[1:18:11 AM] Fdog: i can't. i don't know how
[1:18:18 AM] Fdog: this is the only way i can answer it:
[1:18:23 AM] zilla: becasuse god said it
[1:18:27 AM] zilla: or something to that effect
[1:18:28 AM] zilla: yeah i get it
[1:18:31 AM] zilla: im done now
[1:19:08 AM] Fdog: there are certain things that, were they true, would cause me to not believe in god. i doubt that, given what i've experienced of him, that mathetmatics would be inclued in that.