[5NL] QQ UTG. Flop a set...villain's range and turn decision??

[Cobra_1878]

Villain was 22/12/5 through 56 hands. Folded to 50% cbets, 2/4. No other real stats/notes on villain which leads me to believe he doesn't get out of line too often.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.00
SB: $5.00
BB: $3.44
Hero (UTG): $5.58
CO: $6.44

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 7 Q 8
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.56, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $1.07, Hero ???

OK, first of all, I am not sure about my call on the flop. Should I be 3betting here? I think his range on the flop after his raise is AQs/AQo ( although I feel he would 3bet these? ), suited Ah, KhQh/KQo, JhTh, 88, 77, T9o/Th9h, 5h6h.

On turn, I decide to let him bet for me planning to c/r AI to protect against FD's. This good/bad logic? When he bets turn, 56 & JT got there. He could still think his 77 or 88 is best, plus AQs/AQo/KQs/KQo. I think with suited Ah, he would take a free card here?

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

2,024 games 0.000 secs 404,800 games/sec

Board: 7h 8h Qd 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 67.342% 67.34% 00.00% 1363 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 32.658% 32.66% 00.00% 661 0.00 { 88-77, AhQh, AhJh, AhTh, Ah9h, Ah8h, Ah7h, Ah6h, Ah5h, Ah4h, Ah3h, Ah2h, KhQh, JhTh, Th9h, 6h5h, AQo, KQo, T9o, 65o }

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Not much change when I take away the suited Ah combos

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

1,672 games 0.000 secs 334,400 games/sec

Board: 7h 8h Qd 9d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 64.952% 64.95% 00.00% 1086 0.00 { QcQs }
Hand 1: 35.048% 35.05% 00.00% 586 0.00 { 88-77, AhQh, KhQh, JhTh, Th9h, 6h5h, AQo, KQo, T9o, 65o }

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What is my best action? Stick with original plan of c/r AI, or call and re-eval on river?

[spoonitnow]

You don't have to try to trick the guy every single time you push a button.

[daviddem]

3b flop. As you played the flop, bet the turn. As you played the turn, shove over.

Lots of draws, top pairs, two pairs and undersets in his range. Maybe even slow played AA or KK. Tons of stuff to get value from. Don't offer free cards.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Keep shoveling money in OTF. Hero has the nuts on a draw heavy board. Villain has raised you OTF, which usually means he isn't folding on that street.

I mean, I'd use Hero's line with strong, but weaker than top 2 pair, hands. I probably do that with pr+FD or pr+OESD, too.

I think it's reasonable that Villain has { KQs,Q9s+,QTo+ } in his range, in addition to what you've already given. I'm not a 6-max player, but I think the CO will call with those hands more often than not to a 3x open. All of those hands improved OTT.

I don't like the check OTT, because Hero could be giving free cards to a draw.

As played, jam is fine. If Hero raises at all, he's really committing his stack, so just jam it. I'm not folding top set OTT, so call or jam.... I prefer jam.

[spoonitnow]

3b flop.

But Villain's range is {hand we beat that isn't folding, another hand we beat that isn't folding, another hand we beat that isn't folding, and six other hands we beat that aren't folding}. Shouldn't we slow play?

Edit: I'm being sarcastic here to drive the point home.

From Wikipedia:

David Sklansky defines the following conditions for profitable slow plays:

• A player must have a very strong hand.
• The free card or cheap card the player is allowing to his opponents must have good possibilities of making them a second-best hand.
• That same free card must have little chance of giving an opponent a better hand or even giving them a draw to a better hand on the next round with sufficient pot odds to justify a call.
• The player must believe that he will drive out opponents by showing aggression, but can win a big pot if the opponents stay in the pot.
• The pot must not yet be very large.

The first point is good, the second point is perhaps slightly relevant, the third point is against you, the fourth point is key to why the flop is screwed up, and the fifth is good.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Isn't that exactly why we should NOT slow play?

EDIT: Isn't the primary lesson/goal of playing/beating the micros to learn to V-bet aggressively?

[spoonitnow]

Isn't that exactly why we should NOT slow play?

You caught me in the middle of an edit.

[daven]

3b flop cos not close.

[Cobra_1878]

If anyone is interested....

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.00
SB: $5.00
BB: $3.44
Hero (UTG): $5.58
CO: $6.44

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 7 Q 8
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.56, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $1.07, Hero raises to $4.87 and is all-in, CO calls $3.80

River: ($11.23, 2 players) 5

Hero shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 77%, Flop 58%, Turn 20%)
CO shows 5 6 (Straight, Nine High) (Pre 23%, Flop 42%, Turn 80%)
CO wins $10.76

[spoonitnow]

If anyone is interested....

PokerStars - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $10.00
SB: $5.00
BB: $3.44
Hero (UTG): $5.58
CO: $6.44

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has Q Q

Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.37, 2 players) 7 Q 8
Hero bets $0.20, CO raises to $0.56, Hero calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.49, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, CO bets $1.07, Hero raises to $4.87 and is all-in, CO calls $3.80

River: ($11.23, 2 players) 5

Hero shows Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens) (Pre 77%, Flop 58%, Turn 20%)
CO shows 5 6 (Straight, Nine High) (Pre 23%, Flop 42%, Turn 80%)
CO wins $10.76

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