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    Default [1/2] AJo in BB

    This is my 6th hand at table no reads, effective stacks $200.

    V1-EP: limp
    2-3 additional limps
    V2-SB: raise to $16
    Hero-BB: AJo calls
    V1: calls

    All else fold,

    Flop($51): A86 spade flush draw
    I don't have spade
    SB: check
    Hero: bet 30
    V1: calls
    V2: calls

    Turn(141): 9, non-spade

    Sb: checks
    Hero: ? With $156 behind

    Can't check here. What should my sizing be?
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    The preflop call is really bad with no reads and only 200 effective stacks. People in live poker in general do not raise the SB over limpers very often, his range could be as tight as 99+ AK.

    As for postflop, I guess it looks standard assuming you bet most of your stack on the turn. I think checking the flop would have had a lot of merit, or betting either smaller (for protection and pot control) or larger (to set up a turn shove for less than pot). I'd lean toward either checking or betting 22 though.
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    Did not even consider that pre was bad. I bet 100 on turn and got shoved over.When I bet in my mind I was committed.
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    ^^ what is going on with this post?
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    I think preflop depends on a lot of things, I realize it's only 6 hands but give me something. It's a big difference if the PFR is a 75-year-old white guy or a 25-year-old kid with headphones.

    I like checking flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I think preflop depends on a lot of things, I realize it's only 6 hands but give me something. It's a big difference if the PFR is a 75-year-old white guy or a 25-year-old kid with headphones.
    If this were MP vs HJ, then yeah, we might adjust based on demographic. An 8bb iso of 2 limpers from the SB is insanely strong from a 1/2NL unknown though, regardless of age and headphone usage. Black friday was 40 months ago at this point; most "young guns" at 1/2NL are wannabes (present company included :P ). There are very few who are doing anything other than completing with JTs/ATo.

    You're mostly ahead of the limpers' ranges, but you're OOP to them and have dreadful absolute position on everyone. Yes, even on the opener himself, since in this particular spot, neither a check nor a bet really gives you much info (players open check 4-way $64 pots with strong holdings all the time). You can almost never take the pot down with a bluff, A-high flops are riddled with RIO, so you're only left hoping for 1 kind of flop (and again, even if it comes J-high, we're OOP with a single pair to the two players we really want to build a pot against, and regardless of whether SB checks or bets, he still often has us beat).

    Of course, I'm not so much of a nit to think that if we hit a J-high flop, we're not in good shape, but seeing as how it's the best case scenario and one of only two particularly good-case-scenarios, we'd like for us to be in a bit better than just pretty good shape for our 6bbs worth.

    As for flop, I agree with Renton. I probably bet $20 here because this isn't seen as a particularly small flop bet in live poker, and it protects for all the dozens of times I inevitably bet $15-20 on the flop for various reasons. If players think I'm always FoS, then they can be our guest and call with any pair or draw. A smaller sizing will also make villains more inclined to raise TPTK+, which is great because our hand is worthless if it's behind already.

    On the turn, the limpers probably aren't willing to commit much to 87/A5, and the PFR isn't going to rage-call too much money with split pair, so I'd b/f small again (with my flop sizing, it would be ~40 -> 90; as played, we're in a very tough spot). We're very easily bested at this point, so we can't afford to fold out too much of our opponents' middling range.

    Once we get to the river, I'd say PFR is basically never bluff shoving, and the limper might do it every once in a while with a missed spade draw, but we're talking once in a blue moon stuff, so even with our relatively tentative line, this line shouldn't invite much trouble for ourselves.
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    I don't disagree with you Surviva but I take the copout defense and say "it depends." In casino games with retirees playing their pension checks, 80% of the player pool is checking QQ in the SB. In my "1-2" or "1-3" games with crazy Russians/Asians you can get 20x BB raises and 6 callers.

    In general I just have an issue with people saying they have no reads, even given the fact it's 6 hands in.
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    ^^ what is going on with this post?
    Removed spam post that baud was asking about.

    Yeah, I just fold pre-flop if there are no reads.

    As for the turn, I'd probably bet around $30 again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    People in live poker in general do not raise the SB over limpers very often, his range could be as tight as 99+ AK.
    Readless, i would check with intentions of jamming over Villian 1, IF villian 2 folds to his bet. If it checks through i re-evaluate on river. If villian 1 bets and villian 2 jams then im folding. I dont like betting small because we have to fold to jam, and i dont like betting big cuz were putting too much out there and we have to call a shove when villian 2 has AQ+ which is a huge chunk of his range from SB. So since i think betting is bad, i would check. The pot is huge comapred to eff. Stacks left. Is the A a spade? Or the 86??

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