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  1. #1

    Default retarded lines

    What's your standard in spots like these? Should I just assume villain is an idiot and not pay off until proven otherwise or should I assume they're at least applying basic logic?

    Example 1:

    only 10 hands on villain, not sure when exactly this hand occurred in the 10.

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($98.70)
    UTG+1 jerper ($52.75)
    CO palnuts ($13.60)
    BTN niirr10 ($23)
    SB mspt ($52.75)
    BB krajet ($100.20)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $1.75, jerper calls $1.75, 1 fold, niirr10 calls $1.75, 1 fold, krajet calls $1.25

    Flop: ($7.25, 4 players)
    krajet checks, Hero bets $4, jerper raises to $12, 1 fold, krajet folds, Hero goes all-in $96.95

    if he has 55/22 I don't expect him to raise like the driest board ever. K5s/K2s heavily discounted because I have a K and people don't usually flat with these hands (esp in MP vs UTG raises)

    Example 2:

    only 10 hands on villain

    $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Holdem
    FullTiltPoker
    5 Players
    Hand Conversion Powered by weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Kimlago ($80.40)
    CO Pistolo14 ($16.50)
    BTN ArghBlahr ($52.50)
    SB ki191919 ($51.85)
    BB Hero ($50)

    Pre-Flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
    3 folds, ki191919 raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1

    Flop: ($3, 2 players)
    ki191919 checks, Hero checks

    Turn: ($3, 2 players)
    ki191919 bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    River: ($4, 2 players)
    ki191919 bets $9, Hero calls $9

    He looks incredibly weak up until river and then he overbets? wtf is this?
  2. #2
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    wtf r u doing in hand 1?

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  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by bikes View Post
    wtf r u doing in hand 1?
    getting value from KJo and QQ LDO
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    lol well he's basically repping 6 combos so I want to continue with the hand (unless this is bad??)

    Just realized though that shoving is retarded and should have flatted. lol.
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    Yeah hand 1 fold or flat. I'd rather just fold for now until better reads.

    Hand 2 I just fold river. I've seen this too much with actual value hands they forgot to get value with but, yes, you will win sometimes.
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    shoving flop in hand one is far too thin, actually pretty spewy, imo. he probably doesn't even stack off w/KJ here but even if he does:

    Board: 5h Ks 2d
    Dead:

    equity win tie pots won pots tied
    Hand 0: 41.753% 30.93% 10.82% 8574 3000.00 { KhQh }
    Hand 1: 58.247% 47.42% 10.82% 13146 3000.00 { 55, 22, AKs, KJs+, AKo, KJo+ }

    we're best to flat and keep his range as wide as possible.

    hand 2 i think is so often a poorly played monster that i'm never calling unless i have a specific history with villain to make me want to do so.
  7. #7
    Hand one is hilariously bad.
    Hand 2 seems fine until you call the river bet. I'd probably 3bet for value preflop.
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?
  8. #8
    Quote Originally Posted by kmind View Post
    Yeah hand 1 fold or flat. I'd rather just fold for now until better reads.

    Hand 2 I just fold river. I've seen this too much with actual value hands they forgot to get value with but, yes, you will win sometimes.
    I think just folding both is probably best tbh. They had sets in both cases.

    I mean, even though their lines don't really make sense for a value hand people just do dumb shit (including me lol)
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Donachello View Post
    Hand 2 seems fine until you call the river bet. I'd probably 3bet for value preflop.
    You're 3 betting 99 readless oop? So, you think he's calling with 77, 88, T9s?
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    hand 2 is def a fold when u block the 9c for most fd's he can have

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  11. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by kfaess View Post
    You're 3 betting 99 readless oop? So, you think he's calling with 77, 88, T9s?
    You realize it's BvB and we are IP right?
    [00:29] <daven> dc, why not check turn behind
    [00:30] <DC> daven
    [00:30] <DC> on my hand?
    [00:30] <daven> yep
    [00:30] <DC> because I am drunk
    [00:30] <daven> nice reason
    [00:30] <daven> no further questions
    [00:30] <yaawn> ^^Lol

    Problem officer...?

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