no, infants need another humans help to survive, not the mother.
03-04-2006 12:53 PM
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no, infants need another humans help to survive, not the mother. | |
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03-04-2006 01:38 PM
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i think we are all forgetting about the biggest determinate in this whole abortion debate, that is the development of the brain, which is ultimately what makes us who/what we are. after the brain is fully developed, then a case can/should be made that abortion should no longer be allowed. before the brain is fully developed, it is just a conglomerate of cells, which can be aborted. |
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03-04-2006 02:25 PM
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Not case closed, it'll never be closed... You can't insist that everyone is going to agree that humans are humans when their brains are fully formed as that is just an opinion... | |
03-04-2006 02:48 PM
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you arent dead until your brain dies. death = brain death. if you dont have a working brain, you cant and wont live. if you dont have a brain at all, we have no qualms about killing you, just look at vegetables. if you are a bunch of cells without a brain you can be killed without ethical problems. unless you are a pythagorean or a vegan. but then you have bigger problems. its all about the brain people. how you argue against a brain based view of humanity i dont know, but would like to see. |
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03-04-2006 03:06 PM
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I'm not saying your wrong i'm simply saying your argument is based on ethics, and you can't win an argument about ethics because they arn't universialy accepted. | |
03-04-2006 04:39 PM
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03-04-2006 05:19 PM
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I just realized how lame flirting would be if God didnt exist. |
03-04-2006 07:07 PM
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03-04-2006 10:53 PM
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03-05-2006 12:05 AM
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03-05-2006 12:25 AM
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just because we can't be a person without a brain doesn't mean we are a person if we have one. | |
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03-05-2006 03:09 PM
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03-05-2006 04:34 PM
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gotcha. what i was saying is he is specifically using the physical brain to say, once you have one you're a person. If one day a baby was born with a totally unrecognizable brain in his foot that gave him all these properties, he'd still be a person obviously, and he wouldn't have that physical brain. Its not the structure that's important, its the properties it gives. I could equally say someone can be born with a brain as we know it, and not be a person. | |
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03-05-2006 04:56 PM
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I don't believe in dinosaurs. Does this belong in this thread? | |
03-05-2006 05:52 PM
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03-05-2006 06:17 PM
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03-05-2006 07:29 PM
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03-05-2006 07:35 PM
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03-05-2006 07:49 PM
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03-05-2006 07:57 PM
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They would be brain dead. They might carry on breathing but there would be no thought. I suppose you could argue that they are alive but they certainly would not be a concious person.... or even a concious animal. | |
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03-05-2006 08:07 PM
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ya sorry that's what i meant. theoretically we can make a computer chip that does all the stuff a brain does, same as we theoretically can make a mechanical heart. | |
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03-05-2006 08:25 PM
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well once we make a computer chip that does all of the stuff the brain does it will probably have to be considered a living thing (perhaps after centuries of forced slavery and a mass civil rights movement). They key deciding factor though is conciousness. | |
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03-05-2006 08:50 PM
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Ive always wondered about that stuff... | |
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03-05-2006 09:14 PM
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03-05-2006 09:21 PM
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so tell me some... | |
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03-05-2006 09:25 PM
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03-05-2006 09:28 PM
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word son | |
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03-07-2006 12:23 PM
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03-07-2006 12:37 PM
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as for brains made of computer chips, not likely, in fact so unlikely it borders on implausible. the main reason being the brain is a living changing thing, and to replicate its many behaviours with a silicon chip is impossible. the question reminded me of the old thought experiment where someone's brain is replaced one neuron at a time with silicon chips, and then the question asked once the complete brain is replaced is "is this the same person". the easy answer is that cant happen. a chip cannot replace the functions of a neuron. now, if we were to replace neurons with organic an organic substance that behaves like a neuron, then we have a thought experiment. but then you would also have to replace the glial cells, and that would be pretty god damn hard. |
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03-08-2006 11:10 AM
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Kudos to anyone who can tell me which scripture this was pulled from: | |
03-13-2006 08:05 PM
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03-13-2006 09:54 PM
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This thread has become very long, like my god's penis, which is longer than your god's. | |
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03-13-2006 09:59 PM
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03-13-2006 10:29 PM
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03-13-2006 11:23 PM
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my god has a deep vagina that could swallow up all your gods. The razor sharp teeth that line my gods vagina will cause your gods very much anguish. | |
03-13-2006 11:36 PM
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THREAD HIJACK SUCCESSFUL | |
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02-08-2014 06:02 PM
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People only think God exists because someone told them he does. | |
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02-09-2014 11:44 AM
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02-21-2014 07:36 AM
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Abortion is ethically meh because a human life has no intrinsic value. People simply have difficulty getting upset over an unwanted, non-sufficient cluster of cells being terminated. | |
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02-21-2014 08:56 AM
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Two addendums: | |
Last edited by surviva316; 02-21-2014 at 02:09 PM. Reason: This new forum is so fucking glitchy at handling copy+pastes | |
02-21-2014 12:21 PM
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"the act of terminating it is biologically unnatural by basically all definitions" | |
02-21-2014 01:45 PM
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I'll break this into two parts because I think two very very separate things are getting confused here: | |
Last edited by surviva316; 02-21-2014 at 01:47 PM. | |
02-21-2014 03:19 PM
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It seems like you discovered something about your stance, if nothing else. | |