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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'm not sure if it's you or me being unclear here.

    I think a lot more than 1 in 20 cops are arseholes. That's based on my personal experience with cops, which is low. Oh, it's also based on those real life TV programmes where they follow actual cops on their rounds. But then again, it takes the arsehole cops to be the one that says "yeah I want a tv crew to follow me around catching bad guys".
    The good cops don't make the news.

    And, also, reality TV is produced and edited.
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    Actually, there was a good NPR bit about Full Moon Madness and the Ride-Along Curse, which I could dig up.

    But just like when someone is watching over your shoulders while you type and all of the sudden you type like a retard, having a different audience changes you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    The good cops don't make the news.
    I live next to a cop. Our gardens border. Over the summer, he had workers doing up his garden, and they caught a whiff of what I was smoking. So, what does the cop do? Does he come and knock on my door and warn me? No. He moans at the boss of my next door neighbour. What kind of arsehole does that? The poor woman next door was stressing about her job because of what I was smoking. It had nothing to do with next door, but he just wanted to be the big guy, right? Fucking twat.

    That's a typcial cop here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Is it?
    Yup. Maybe you have better cops than we do.
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    I know cops and their douche-baggary, I think I had a post earlier in this thread about hearing my buddy cop talk about encounters as mine-fields of gotcha-bombs, but that's the job they have to work and that's the way they're told to work it.

    Like I said before, cops kill people because of how the company trains them and tells them to deal with situations. It's the case for how they behave in near every spot.
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    I don't see why a cop should holster his gun and have a clean fight with a random criminal who may or not be a martial arts expert / bad ass mother fucker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Like I said before, cops kill people because of how the company trains them and tells them to deal with situations. It's the case for how they behave in near every spot.
    We're not a million miles apart.

    Dan, I'm not suggesting fisticuffs. I'm simply saying that when an unarmed person is shot, it should not be with the intention to kill, unless it is reasonable he poses a serious threat even if shot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    We're not a million miles apart.

    Dan, I'm not suggesting fisticuffs. I'm simply saying that when an unarmed person is shot, it should not be with the intention to kill, unless it is reasonable he poses a serious threat even if shot.
    And if you apply that notion, after a few people die for falling on the wrong side of 'serious' soon too many threats will be treated seriously. And then you'll be at present day USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    And if you apply that notion, after a few people die for falling on the wrong side of 'serious' soon too many threats will be treated seriously. And then you'll be at present day USA.
    I don't think this is a good thing.
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    Maybe that's not the best example, I only vaguely remember the details of the movie. But there's a reason a cop will approach your window and stay somewhat behind the back-edge of the door. Cops have been dropped with no warning and the door-frame gives protection from a shooter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I don't think this is a good thing.
    When life collides with ideals...
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    The title made me laugh. We had a dodgy comedy police thing in the 90's called The Thin Blue Line.

    I think it had Rimmer from Red Dwarf in it.

    I might watch that later if it's on putlocker or youtube or whatever.
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    Surely cop risk and criminal death reaches it's own natural equilibrium.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Maybe that's not the best example, I only vaguely remember the details of the movie. But there's a reason a cop will approach your window and stay somewhat behind the back-edge of the door. Cops have been dropped with no warning and the door-frame gives protection from a shooter.
    Well the problem here is an armed population, because very very rarely does a cop get shot in the UK.
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    Plus when you shoot, you aim for the torso. Always. You ain't gonna pinpoint target his shoulder to avoid serious injury. Further away from the centre equals closer to missing and hitting something or someone else.
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    In facm this conversation is stupid. I don't think police shoot to kill in the first place. They shoot to stop. And minimise bystander risk when they do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Plus when you shoot, you aim for the torso. Always. You ain't gonna pinpoint target his shoulder to avoid serious injury. Further away from the centre equals closer to missing and hitting something or someone else.
    Well this is once again down to training.

    You're right. If I were going to shoot someone, I'd aim for the torso in case I wasn't accurate.

    If I were a highly trained armed cop, I'd aim for the shoulder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    In facm this conversation is stupid. I don't think police shoot to kill in the first place. They shoot to stop. And minimise bystander risk when they do so.
    Most conversations here are stupid. And there's people here arguing that shooting to kill is exactly what they should do.
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    How accurate do do you think a pistol is? Once you've answered that question, realise you're wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Most conversations here are stupid.
    This is fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    How accurate do do you think a pistol is? Once you've answered that question, realise you're wrong.
    Ok, I'll rephrase.

    If I were a highly trained armed cop, I'd know what I was talking about.
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    This is why they tell you to stay in the car, otherwise treat you like you'll kill them.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4FbLm99znU

    Just that easy.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tRGf__sTAg

    And you're aware of every single one of these videos because you're job is the same as those being shot at.

    And you live in a nation with strict drug laws and 3-strike rules where someone carrying a teenth of coke might be looking at a life sentence, and all of the sudden, you feel like... who knows? Like you need to be ready for violence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Surely cop risk and criminal death reaches it's own natural equilibrium.
    What?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Well the problem here is an armed population, because very very rarely does a cop get shot in the UK.
    Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of problems and there's always the looming possibility that the many problems of the UK are simply canceling each other out

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    Wait.... what?

    You guys have an amount of coke commonly called a tenth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Wait.... what?

    You guys have an amount of coke commonly called a tenth?
    teenth.

    The tiny amount you rub on your teeth/gums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    And you live in a nation with strict drug laws and 3-strike rules where someone carrying a teenth of coke might be looking at a life sentence, and all of the sudden, you feel like... who knows? Like you need to be ready for violence.
    America, fuck yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Wait.... what?

    You guys have an amount of coke commonly called a tenth?
    teenth, like weed.

    1.75g

    A sixteenth of an ounce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    America, fuck yeah.
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    And if you apply that notion, after a few people die for falling on the wrong side of 'serious' soon too many threats will be treated seriously. And then you'll be at present day USA.
    Glad you got there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    What?
    Well, the greater the perceived risk to the cop, given experience of said cop and general perceived experience of cops, of a given situation, the higher the chance of the criminal being shot.

    Makes sense to me.

    And likewise, the given perceived risk to a criminal of being shot, the less likely said criminal is to act in a way that leads to him being shot.

    So risk of cop dying vs risk of criminal being shot adjusted for likely incarceration time and propensity to accept said time equals chance of being shot.

    I am drunk, s o.may have fucked that up, but why wouldn't there be a natural rate of criminal death by cop for a given set of risks and rewards for each party?
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    Of course it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Of course it is.
    Damn those mods deleting their posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Well, the greater the perceived risk to the cop, given experience of said cop and general perceived experience of cops, of a given situation, the higher the chance of the criminal being shot.

    Makes sense to me.

    And likewise, the given perceived risk to a criminal of being shot, the less likely said criminal is to act in a way that leads to him being shot.

    So risk of cop dying vs risk of criminal being shot adjusted for likely incarceration time and propensity to accept said time equals chance of being shot.

    I am drunk, s o.may have fucked that up, but why wouldn't there be a natural rate of criminal death by cop for a given set of risks and rewards for each party?
    Alright, I threw out a lowball, but I want to pitch a sidewinder.

    Because there's a difference between the prisoner's dilemma and how people treat the prisoner's dilemma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Damn those mods deleting their posts.
    Give it a minute.

    And for the record, I said, "because Life's not math"
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    Amd if I'm right, and I've no reason whatsoever to believe I am, sorely the.more interesting conversation is what level is acceptable and how far you are willing to go to reduce it.
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    I wanted to agree with your eqilibrium thing because I liked your language.

    But I just couldn't figure out what you meant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Amd if I'm right, and I've no reason whatsoever to believe I am, sorely the.more interesting conversation is what level is acceptable and how far you are willing to go to reduce it.
    What level of what?

    This is my difficulty with a lot of stuff that starts to assume economist terminology. No one is measuring nothing and nobody can check anything. Everything is fungible. You can find a metric to suit whatever reality you want if you're willing to look hard enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I wanted to agree with your eqilibrium thing because I liked your language.

    But I just couldn't figure out what you meant.
    Pulling from another thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Right, he's wrong. He's wrong about every new piece of information he brings to the table and wrong about his overall conclusions, but no one can nail him down on it because he's so good at arguing - he's so good at letting people be as stupid as the always are.
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    I was thinking "yeah if the cops shoot all the criminals then eventually the cops are killing no criminals and the criminals are killing no cops because there's no fucking criminals left, they're all shot".

    But I didn't think that's what you meant.
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    And sorry Ong, for lining you up like that. But I think I'm stupid too, if it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I was thinking "yeah if the cops shoot all the criminals then eventually the cops are killing no criminals and the criminals are killing no cops because there's no fucking criminals left, they're all shot".

    But I didn't think that's what you meant.
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    Yeah I'm being wild and loose with my language.

    You'd prob have a different level of death by cop for each different scenario.

    But let's say holding less than one once of cocaine when pulled over for speeding.

    For that scenario, given the risks and rewards for both parties, their must exist a rate of criminal death by cop. And this rate could be changed for future interactions by changing the perceived risks and rewards of both parties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    And sorry Ong, for lining you up like that. But I think I'm stupid too, if it helps.
    All good. fwiw, I'm not nearly as clever as I used to be. As a 7-y/o, I was able to figure out mathematical forumlas that adults struggled with. Now, all I can do is play chess to a slightly better standard than spoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    All good. fwiw, I'm not nearly as clever as I used to be. As a 7-y/o, I was able to figure out mathematical forumlas that adults struggled with. Now, all I can do is play chess to a slightly better standard than spoon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    NEVER LET THIS GO! NEVER!
    Honestly, I think I'll still be talking crap in this forum when I'm in my 70's, and I'll still brag this shit.
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    And back to the equilibrium, it's the natural rate for the.perceived risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Honestly, I think I'll still be talking crap in this forum when I'm in my 70's, and I'll still brag this shit.
    I wasn't being shitty. Never let this go!
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    I know the intention is to mock spoon, but actually it accidentally compliments him. I mean if I feel so great about beating him at chess, I must think he's a smart guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Yeah I'm being wild and loose with my language.

    You'd prob have a different level of death by cop for each different scenario.

    But let's say holding less than one once of cocaine when pulled over for speeding.

    For that scenario, given the risks and rewards for both parties, their must exist a rate of criminal death by cop. And this rate could be changed for future interactions by changing the perceived risks and rewards of both parties.
    Well, yeah, but you're getting into something I really don't understand at all - how incentives motivate people. You figure that out, and you'll be a very powerful man.
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    F (the rest of yall)I:
    Fungible:

    (of goods contracted for without an individual specimen being specified) replaceable by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.
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    I'm normally good with spelling, but I had to check which was right out of compliment and complement. I ninja'd that last post twice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    And back to the equilibrium, it's the natural rate for the.perceived risks.
    Dunno, you can always go safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    F (the rest of yall)I:
    Fungible:

    (of goods contracted for without an individual specimen being specified) replaceable by another identical item; mutually interchangeable.
    In my mind, it's like taking some clay and changing it over and over to suit whatever form you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I know the intention is to mock spoon, but actually it accidentally compliments him. I mean if I feel so great about beating him at chess, I must think he's a smart guy.
    Pfft, you outmeasure spoon in at least one other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Well, yeah, but you're getting into something I really don't understand at all - how incentives motivate people. You figure that out, and you'll be a very powerful man.
    Figuring it out and being able to use that info ain't the same thing. Seems being able to use it and.unable to figure it out is far more.profitable.
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    Yeah, well, I'm on the one side of that coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Figuring it out and being able to use that info ain't the same thing. Seems being able to use it and.unable to figure it out is far more.profitable.
    Bit relating that to the topic at hand, n obody has an answer. There aren't enough data points to build a reliable model because culture moves at one pace which accelerates at a whim, and law moves at another pace which is certainly slower. So that's where the fun is. Decision.makers. playing with lives with each guesstimate.
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    I agree. I've said it before. If you want to talk about truths that you can't put words to, I'm all about 'em. Some times you know the answer then have to work to get others to follow along. But you can never trust anyone else to be doing it, because it's too easy to fake.
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    PS torrent this docu http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0317910/

    I know he definitely touches on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Bit relating that to the topic at hand, n obody has an answer. There aren't enough data points to build a reliable model because culture moves at one pace which accelerates at a whim, and law moves at another pace which is certainly slower. So that's where the fun is. Decision.makers. playing with lives with each guesstimate.
    This. He definitely touches on this.
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    Drunk sleep awaits. I've enjoyed this. I miss arguing here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Pfft, you outmeasure spoon in at least one other way.
    By not being American?
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    Post name.of.doc,link won't work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    By not being American?
    Stop fishin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    By not being American?
    Nah, the other way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Post name.of.doc,link won't work.
    Fog of War. It's an interview with Robert McNamara while he was still sharp in the twilight of his years.
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    rilla hasn't seen my huge dick, so it's not that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    rilla hasn't seen my huge dick, so it's not that.
    I dunno why I laughed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I dunno why I laughed.
    For the same reason I hit submit, even though it's an obviously inane comment.

    Immaturity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Bit relating that to the topic at hand, n obody has an answer. There aren't enough data points to build a reliable model because culture moves at one pace which accelerates at a whim, and law moves at another pace which is certainly slower. So that's where the fun is. Decision.makers. playing with lives with each guesstimate.
    Honestly, the entire documentary really touches on all of this post. I really can't recommend it enough to anyone who cares enough to read either of these posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    For the same reason I hit submit, even though it's an obviously inane comment.

    Immaturity.
    I'm a grown man. I talk about sophisticated things like King Charles and Robert McNamara!
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    I'm nearly 37, and I still impress myself when I fart.
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    Sign of a good diet, though, right?
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