flop bottom set, snap fold flop?

[daven]

opener is loose-ish 19-16 high volume pro, his ranges by position are more statck than most. 60% cbet so he probably has a hand here.
caller is 13-6-3 nit, 85% fold to cbet, 3% raise cbet, decent sample. I think his range is TT here. But I wonder about QQ+. Fold standard?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (9 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

MP2 ($25.66)
MP3 ($29.46)
CO ($25)
Hero (Button) ($33.17)
SB ($25)
BB ($21.24)
UTG ($89.84)
UTG+1 ($25)
MP1 ($24.84)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 4, 4
UTG bets $0.75, 4 folds, CO calls $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($3.10) 4, 10, 8 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $2.25, CO raises to $6.50, Hero ??,

[MadMojoMonkey]

How can you write off Jd9d, AdTd, AdKd, JJ,QQ,etc.

It's almost always a mistake to fold a set OTF.

[TNreg]

How can you write off Jd9d, AdTd, AdKd, JJ,QQ,etc.

It's almost always a mistake to fold a set OTF.

Except the times you just know you're in a cooler situation yet call anyway.

[surviva316]

Someone who's this passive and still manages to play 13% of hands is probably flatting a wider range than you'd expect. He's probably not exactly abusing the button, yet 13% of hands preflop is 22+/AJ+/ATs+/87s+/KJs+. I don't know exactly what his flatting range IP to an EP open is, but I think there have to be enough combos of odd hands to offset 6 friggin combos. Where else is he getting his hands in?

We're flipping against TT/88/KQdd/QQ alone, and we have position.

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muckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[supa]

Why call pre if we're folding to action when we hit?

Serious question.

[TNreg]

See, this is why I don't play shitty pairs very often because of crap like this. OMG though I think I fold this, I'm such a nit.

[surviva316]

Why call pre if we're folding to action when we hit?

Serious question.

Set over Set is rare. Even if this is a fold, we assume that the 97% of the time that the action doesn't go bet->raise, we're in line to make some money. In fact, if villain is playing so predictably that we can get away from set-over-set (without too often making a mistake against worse hands), then the call preflop is even more profitable.

[The Bean Counter]

I find a fold here when I'm playing well. When I'm playing my usual auto-pilot, I get the money in way behind and then wonder why.

We can kid ourselves that villain plays combos that don't have us crushed in the same manner (thus turning a fold into a stack-off) and we can also work on the rule that we should never fold a set otf, but we'd be making a mistake doing either imo given this villain's stats.

[jackvance]

Set over Set is rare. Even if this is a fold, we assume that the 97% of the time that the action doesn't go bet->raise, we're in line to make some money. In fact, if villain is playing so predictably that we can get away from set-over-set (without too often making a mistake against worse hands), then the call preflop is even more profitable.

Yeah this.

[kickass]

Folding sets is hard even on much worse boards but dont see you being in front like ever. Is co likely to flat Utg open with KK/aa. What if you had 88 still s fold?
I think yr pretty baller uf you can chuck away a set when yr only beat by sets. All this makes co raise redic bad or super awesome
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[WeldPhaser]

i'm not sure i could fold here in the heat of full ring, but it's probably right too. I don't see the co raising the flop here w/ JJ+ w/ someone to act given davens read.

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Folding sets is hard even on much worse boards but dont see you being in front like ever. Is co likely to flat Utg open with KK/aa. What if you had 88 still s fold?
I think yr pretty baller uf you can chuck away a set when yr only beat by sets. All this makes co raise redic bad or super awesome
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88 = GL me. shove.

[daven]

I think yr pretty baller uf you can chuck away a set when yr only beat by sets. All this makes co raise redic bad or super awesome
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woot! kickass thinks i'm baller, he obv didn't notice this is 25nl

88 = GL me. shove.

yeah, 88 is close and i'd get it in with fingers crossed

[Carroters]

88 is a very easy non fold, 44 is a fold. There's a huge equity difference between these two hands here imo. There's no way he plays TT this way and not 44.

[Micro2Macro]

w t f guys

w t f

don't you know another 4 will make you quads?

[Micro2Macro]

but seriously not trolling: he could just always raise turns/rivers with sets and be fos on the flop....

[kickass]

Just dont see vilain having 44 which nakes 88&44 a fold I would obv never be good enough to make it even with solid reads