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  1. #1
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    Default JJ 3way set deepish, flop/turn sizing

    flop sizing? turn?

    UTG is bad and loose-passive, 23-7, 45% fold to cbet. He has a stack cos he stationed a flush draw without pot odds and raised when he hit on the river. Once we get to the turn he can have hands he thinks he are nut = AA/AJ/A9/J9/99 here, he can have gutters and oesds, and he can have top pair only hands.
    Button is relative unknown 19-9 folds to cbets 4/7 so far, he was baby deep when i sat, and stacked someone when his TPTK+backdoor flush draw got allin on a flop vs two pairs.
    They perceive me as active I guess.

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    CO ($16.90)
    Button ($72.18)
    SB ($16.86)
    BB ($10.64)
    UTG ($45.70)
    Hero (MP1) ($43.27)
    MP2 ($33.57)

    Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J
    UTG calls $0.25, Hero bets $1.10, MP2 calls $1.10, 1 fold, Button calls $1.10, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.85

    Flop: ($4.75) J, 9, A (4 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $3, 1 fold, Button calls $3, UTG calls $3

    Turn: ($13.75) 2 (3 players)
    UTG checks, Hero bets $????,
  2. #2
    First of all I'd raise a little bit bigger pre, if you think he'll call $1.10 why wouldn't he called $1.30 or more? You have position and he's weak passive seems the type of player you want to be building big pots against.

    I'd be betting like $10.50 here with pretty much all my range, which would be pretty strong because I'm not cbetting the flop with much air because I don't imagine I have a huge amount of fold equity and my preflop range is going to be pretty strong in that situation anyway.

    My preflop range, TT+, AJs+, AQo+, KQ

    cbetting with JJ+, AJs+, AQ+, KQ

    betting the turn with JJ, AA, AJs+, AQ+, KdQd, whether QQ & KK are profitable to bet with I don't know. I'd hazard a guess that they aren't, but I'm bad at poker so...

    Shoving flop like 1000000000% regardless of card, bar maybe a 9.


    edit - Also VV (what eug said about bigger on the flop)
    Last edited by Savy; 06-24-2013 at 02:25 AM.
  3. #3
    Don't we want to go bigger on flop when their calling ranges are inelastic (i.e. we are hoping one of them has Ax).?
  4. #4
    I'd probably go $3.50 flop.

    As played, I'd go $10-11 on turn.
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  5. #5
    I'd go $3.75 on fl. Why not these guys are atm's. And I think savy is rigjt. We don't have much, if any FE otf. You've already seen utg station down and it looks like he's doing it here .

    Would this be a good turn to overbet? Or since it's 3-way I guess the pot is gonna get big like we surely want it to.

    I have to ask. What's our plan on a Td river?
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  6. #6
    I think they would both call a $12.50 turn bet.

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