QQ with an A

[Warpe]

.50/1.00 FR on FTP, Hero is dealt QQ UTG no diamonds and opens for $3.50. MP1 calls, SB calls (unknown but seems a little loose-passive, straightforward ).

Flop is Ad2xTd, checked around.

Turn is 4d, SB bets $7, Hero calls, MP1 folds.

River is 5x, SB bets $17, Hero calls.

SB said: lmao
SB said: wtf?

Thoughts?

[jimmy44]

I think on river you have to fold, too many hands are beating you against a straightforward player.

[martindcx1e]

def fold river. he can easily have an ace or better.

[Warpe]

you really think it's that thin?

[badgers]

Is he value betting worse?

Is a loose passive bluffing much on the turn into two opps?

[GatorJH]

I coud see a loose passive player thinking his 7's, 8's or 9's are good after the flop got checked around and value betting those hands on both streets.

I also think a hand like KdQx could play like this.

With that said I also think that are quite a few more hands that are ahead of you here. IMO this is pretty close between a call and a fold, but I still consider myself a SNG donk at this point.

[Warpe]

I think this range is pretty close:

159 games 0.032 secs 4,968 games/sec

Board: Ad Td 2c 4d 5h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.289% 55.97% 00.31% 89 0.50 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 43.711% 43.40% 00.31% 69 0.50 { 22+, ATs+, KTs+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }

[daven]

you don't c-bet these boards?

[kmind]

you don't c-bet these boards?

[Fnord]

Turn is probably a fold as he's certainly got outs if he's behind and you still have a player behind you.

This really comes down to how spewy he is when you put up the "For Sale" sign. I prefer this line against the more aggro sorts.

[kingnat]

you don't c-bet these boards?

Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace.

[Warpe]

you don't c-bet these boards?

Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace.

SB said: lmao
SB said: wtf?

SB said: am I really that %$#@&!#$ bad?

Showed QTo.

Still not sure though. Is this entirely read dependent? How often do we need to be good here?

[martindcx1e]

you don't c-bet these boards?

Isn't this the classic WA/WB line... allowing for villian to think <JJ is good here, and helps us get away cheaply when they have an ace.

One could make the argument to bet it since there's a flush draw/straight draw and it's 3-way.

[kmind]

And to balance our range because I'm sure we bet air here

[Miffed22001]

i hate your flop/turn play here.

[XTR1000]

checking flop misses so much value, this is not wa/wb

[bjsaust]

I like it, maybe I'm a station.

[d0zer]

I like it, maybe I'm a station.

I've played this situation similarly before with some decent results at 100NL...

I think a lot of villains will consider the flop check to mean "I don't have an ace". Looser players who aren't afraid to take a few stabs with 2nd pair won't figure you for queens though if they're level0 thinkers. I've seen em' take weak 1/2 pot, 1/3rd pot stabs at it with like 66 on a AT24 board after the flop checks...

If you come out betting the flop they'd let it go, but the flop check (especially check-behind) gives some saucier villains the go-ahead...

[pokerfan]

no way i check this oop on this drawy flop in 3 way pot. As played, i'd fold on the turn cuz your weak calling line really sucks if villain is not uber aggressive or a habitual bluffer.. Did you really plan to catch his bluffing in this spot after seeing the flop?