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    Default Backdoor Nut Flush Multiway, Paired Board, Big Pot

    BB is laggy pre-flop, not so aggy post. MP3 is passive pre-flop, pretty solid post. CO is very laggy. I know I don't have the pot odds for calling the turn, unless BB flat calls. River play?

    Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $0.50/$1 - 9 players - Converter

    Stack sizes:
    UTG: $110.75
    UTG+1: $98.50
    MP1: $19.50
    MP2: $98.05
    MP3: $98.75
    CO: $272.40
    Hero: $99.50
    SB: $100.50
    BB: $102.65

    Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is Button with 7 A
    4 folds, MP3 raises to $3, CO calls, Hero calls, SB folds, BB calls.

    Flop: T J 3 ($12.5, 4 players)
    BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

    Turn: 9 ($12.5, 4 players)
    BB bets $4, MP3 raises to $12, CO calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

    River: J ($60.5, 4 players)
    BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero...
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    No hindsight for the blind.
    I probably bet 36-ish. I think a boat would have made itself apparent on the river.

    I like the turn. Implied odds are goot. Now, if the BB re-reraises we have a decision to make.
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    I like $40-$45 on river. I agree with HalvSame on thought process....
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    What's sucky about this river is that the same logic you can use to eliminate boats (river is checked to you) can be used to eliminate decent hands that call (smaller flushes).

    The lack of flop action is weird, too.... Bet, I guess, probably some amount enough to discourage a bluff raise. Don't think it has to be much more than $30.
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    Bet 10 and hope everyone calls?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zenbitz
    What's sucky about this river is that the same logic you can use to eliminate boats (river is checked to you) can be used to eliminate decent hands that call (smaller flushes).
    I think I disagree with this. I think smaller flushes and to a lesser extent even worse hands like straights and lone jacks go for a check-call on this river hoping to pick off bluffs.
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    preflop call?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy
    preflop call?
    Borderline, but on the button with one caller (that's loose and willing to play for stacks), I like it.
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    i just dont think you get paid off with the best hand enough, and will sometimes pay off as a second best hand.

    unless, of course, opps are uber donkeys and play for stacks with garbage.
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    Pre-flop isn't even close. Easy call.

    Don't fold to a routine/aggressive c-bet on an Axx board either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Pre-flop isn't even close. Easy call.

    Don't fold to a routine/aggressive c-bet on an Axx board either.
    qft.
    also, dont bet a ton on river because your hand isnt that good.
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    Only a borderline call because MP3 only raises 3% of hands pre-flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Only a borderline call because MP3 only raises 3% of hands pre-flop.
    Fold anything that isn't a pair pre-flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord
    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Only a borderline call because MP3 only raises 3% of hands pre-flop.
    Fold anything that isn't a pair pre-flop.
    Even with a bad lagg in between?

    FWIW, I just looked again and MP3's stats are 21/4.4/2.0 over 1600 hands. But 3,4... the guy's passive pre-flop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    FWIW, I just looked again and MP3's stats are 21/4.4/2.0 over 1600 hands. But 3,4... the guy's passive pre-flop.
    Yeah, I think I take a pass on this Dog and Pony Show, although it depends on just how bad the LAgg is. With passive driving the action, it's going to be harder to hide strength if LAgg has a 3-digit IQ. If he's just gamb00ling, I can see gamb00ling on the button, it's just a bitch that the 3rd guy has something like TT+/AK/AQs. On the flop side, Axx flops will be really easy to play as LAgg is going to keep the nit honest, allowing us to get away without putting in money to "see where we're at."
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    I really don't see anyone having a boat here with all the checking, a FD out, and straight draw. If you hit a boat that completes someone else's flush, perfect time to bet.

    My guess is at least one person has a straight, one donk slowplayed top pair with a weak kicker (maybe BB or mp3), and I think you have everything beat and I would be $20 hoping to get re-raised or paid. I think you might get paid even for $30, but at $20 I hope to get reraised.

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