10-09-2017 06:00 PM
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10-09-2017 09:41 PM
#752
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It's called the scientific method, which is a process for us to discover when someone is trying to fool us, even when the fooler is our prior selves. | |
10-09-2017 10:28 PM
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It may not be a good tactic. I don't know. |
10-10-2017 12:33 AM
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I don't think most mass shooters care about how many other people may have guns. I think most believe they will be killed before their spree is over. As such, I don't think the choice of location has anything to do with the level of gun control in that location. | |
10-10-2017 01:00 AM
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Easier means a lot of things too. Your State may have tight gun laws like California, but guns are readily available since Arizona is right next door and is much much looser. Likewise the availability of gun shows or illegal dealers plays a part. The amount and ease of access to family or neighbors who have guns also affects it. | |
10-10-2017 01:38 PM
#756
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I wonder what JKDS' thoughts are on this idea: | |
10-10-2017 01:51 PM
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10-10-2017 05:39 PM
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Does somebody who wants to kill a lot of people target a place where he assesses very low probability of success regarding killing a lot of people with the same frequency that he targets a place where he assesses a very high probability of success regarding killing a lot of people? |
10-10-2017 05:43 PM
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10-10-2017 05:56 PM
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10-10-2017 06:19 PM
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10-10-2017 06:37 PM
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10-10-2017 06:53 PM
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Look at it like this. Let's say somebody benefits $20/hr of value* thieving non-alarm cars and it costs him $15/hr of value. Let's say his next best option (the option he would choose if he wasn't thieving cars) benefits him $15 and costs $13. He nets more personal value by thieving non-alarm cars than his next best option, so he thieves non-alarm cars. But then people start installing alarms and he has to start skipping cars. Let's say that this makes his value of thieving non-alarm cars drop to $19 and his cost increases to $16. He still nets 50% more than his next best option, so he still thieves cars. But then let's say every car gets an alarm, so he has no choice but to deal with an alarm if he wishes to thieve cars. Let's say this reduces his benefit to $18 and increases cost to $17. Now he experiences 33% of the value thieving cars that he does by not thieving cars. So then he stops thieving cars.** |
10-10-2017 08:46 PM
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10-10-2017 09:01 PM
#765
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You assume killers target based on maximizing casualties, rather than targeting specific persons or groups. You also assume he believes success or failure hinges on the number of guns others are carrying. | |
10-10-2017 09:06 PM
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10-10-2017 09:15 PM
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When large casualties is the goal of the killer, yes I am assuming that. |
10-10-2017 09:18 PM
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In economics, they are both thought of in terms of utility (preferences). It can be thought of like how stealing for a particular monetary gain may benefit somebody by 30 utility while killing for fun may benefit him by 35 utility, which means he will choose to kill for fun since it better suits his preferences. |
10-10-2017 09:26 PM
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10-10-2017 09:37 PM
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What of the person who kills for sport, and enjoys the challenge of it all? You're trying to say "ppl with guns deters other ppl with guns", but that only works with ordinary people...if it works at all. People willing to massacre Innocents are not ordinary. Their motives are different from ours. | |
10-10-2017 09:55 PM
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Using the usage "massacre", how do they massacre those who can defend themselves? I ask this because I think the frame you are using assumes a type of preference that can be deterred. If a person is looking to massacre and there is sufficient reason for him to believe he won't be successful at massacre, he is deterred. However, if you are positing that somebody wishes to kill regardless of probability of success of outcome, then yeah they can't really be incentivized against it*. Though the casualties can be kept minimal through other means. |
10-10-2017 10:02 PM
#772
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Meanwhile, in Texas | |
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10-10-2017 10:12 PM
#773
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I commend you for having a more sophisticated response. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 10-10-2017 at 10:17 PM. | |
10-10-2017 10:39 PM
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10-10-2017 10:48 PM
#775
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From the study | |
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10-10-2017 10:52 PM
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The examples we have are of rational people. |
10-10-2017 11:13 PM
#777
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Makes sense since gun violence and emotionally charged situations probably occur simultaneously far more than mental illness does with either. |
10-11-2017 12:24 AM
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Ah, so we agree that some shooters, at least, are not influenced by success. | |
Last edited by JKDS; 10-11-2017 at 12:30 AM. | |
10-11-2017 08:42 AM
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10-11-2017 08:46 AM
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10-11-2017 10:54 AM
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10-11-2017 10:56 AM
#782
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I also don't think we understand the mindbrain well enough for psych checks to be a perfect solution. A large number would fall through the cracks I think. | |
10-11-2017 06:34 PM
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10-11-2017 06:48 PM
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The sufficiently insane ones such that they can't even know their own preferences. Each example provided so far has not been of sufficiently insane people as far as I can tell. |
Last edited by wufwugy; 10-11-2017 at 07:00 PM. | |
10-11-2017 06:52 PM
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BTW if you don't like that I said "killzone", okay, I just really wanted to use that word (it's fun!). |
10-11-2017 06:55 PM
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10-11-2017 07:25 PM
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What do you think the solution to this problem is such that the type of problem is fixed and doesn't reoccur? |
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10-11-2017 08:09 PM
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10-11-2017 08:21 PM
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While I agree, here's the thing: pinpointing actual crimes committed regarding the 2008 financial crisis and subsequent Great Recession is nigh impossible. I've studied it quite a lot, and I haven't even come across actual crimes. It's hard to even pinpoint things people did wrong. Did lenders and banks do things wrong? Actually, no they didn't. The housing issue preceding 2008 was caused by perverse incentives due to government law and government behavior.* The crash and subsequent recession was caused by the Fed mishandling monetary policy,** which is essentially a mechanism informed by theory (and data and history). People haven't been charged for crimes because they didn't actually commit crimes. |
10-11-2017 08:46 PM
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10-12-2017 03:21 PM
#791
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Has poop not come back since I jokingly called him stupid? Did I actually offend him? | |
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10-12-2017 04:24 PM
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10-12-2017 05:36 PM
#793
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since im the second stupidest person in the world, things do not bode well for the doop |
10-13-2017 08:35 AM
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10-13-2017 09:02 AM
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10-13-2017 09:19 AM
#796
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I'm fairly certain it's just been me and wuf here all these years, all the rest of you are his alts. I'm fine with that. I just hope it hasn't been all me. | |
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10-13-2017 10:20 AM
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10-13-2017 12:17 PM
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11-13-2017 02:57 AM
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11-28-2017 01:25 PM
#800
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Trump is responsible for every random ass-hole now? |
12-06-2017 02:27 PM
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a8094321.html | |
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12-06-2017 02:43 PM
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I soundly reject any decision making input that looks anything like this: |
12-06-2017 03:46 PM
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I'd hope more people are more sick of the days where telling the Arab world "Hey guys, you know your holy city? I don't think you should be there, it belongs to the guys who've been oppressing you for a few decades." is not the same thing as warmongering. | |
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12-06-2017 03:56 PM
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12-06-2017 04:11 PM
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I'm pretty sure none of them have lived a few thousand years, and even if they had, I don't think one wrong justifies another. | |
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12-06-2017 04:43 PM
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12-07-2017 02:36 AM
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12-07-2017 10:54 AM
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12-07-2017 11:41 AM
#809
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One man's terrorist is another one's freedom fighter. We absolutely should negotiate a peaceful resolution, whether it's the 2-state model or something else. What we should not do is meddle by taking a dump on one of the parties, which is what Trump is doing. World wars have started for far less. He outraged a billion people, and apart from a few rednecks the other 6 billion aren't too happy either. | |
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12-07-2017 12:25 PM
#810
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No way around it. It doesn't matter where we put the embassy, one side is gonna be pissed. Choosing not to piss off a loyal and militarily powerful ally seems like the smarter play. |
12-07-2017 02:28 PM
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Somehow all other countries on the planet have been able to handle their Israeli embassies without making front page news. | |
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12-07-2017 05:24 PM
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If one side laid down its arms, peace would happen. If the other side laid down its arms, it would cease to exist. |
12-31-2017 12:12 AM
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I find Linda Sarsour kinda hot. I wonder why. I think it's because if a chick desperately wants to be tied up and controlled I'm like okay. |
12-31-2017 10:35 AM
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She's so retarded. Bitch is running a "Woman's March" and all of the sheep get in line while she's talking about wanting to bring in Sharia Law and inviting a convicted terrorist murderer and convicted rape-torturer/murder to speak at the fucking thing. | |
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12-31-2017 11:13 AM
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12-31-2017 02:12 PM
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Indeed. |
01-03-2018 05:53 PM
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Or that's how a group of deist, agnostics and atheists sold secularism to the masses. | |
01-03-2018 07:03 PM
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My professor of American Christian history told me that at the time of the framing, there were virtually no non-Christians. "Atheism" at the time was essentially Deism. What made Deists thought of as atheists at the time was that they believed God didn't actively influence human lives. They still believed in God. |
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01-03-2018 07:13 PM
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One of the main reasons American Protestants didn't like Catholicism was because of how state-like Catholicism was. There were so many different types of Protestants in America that they didn't want to codify any one sect with legal power. |
01-03-2018 07:17 PM
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That was one of the most informative classes I've taken. There is a strong argument to be made that the movement to restrain government and empower the people was primarily for the purpose of protecting religion. |
01-09-2018 06:14 PM
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So much ridiculousness in this thread. So much of Scientism is based on the occult. Scientism is the one-world religion talked about in the Bible. People have been fooled into thinking that because science says so that it is fact... and they've also been fooled into thinking what a fact actually is. Before one can truly know what truth is, he must first realize that no one "knows" anything, and everything we think we know we actually just believe. | |
01-10-2018 06:22 AM
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Hi spoon. | |
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01-10-2018 09:22 AM
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No. You know about yourself. You know what you are thinking, what you observe, what you prefer, what you remember, etc. | |
01-10-2018 09:58 AM
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01-10-2018 10:29 AM
#825
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Most people don't need drugs to have an open mind. | |